Is there a God?

[I Love Me Some Me]

We have cited proof of this. In physical form and original depiction. Not hearsay. We have shown with zero doubt of credibility that there are many gods prior to Jesus that had the same meaningful dates. Dates that have been proven to hold major astrological value.

Even if you don't want to change your belief because of it I want to know:

How can this not raise questions for you?

How is every important date and moment in Jesus' life been repeated in an adaptation of a previous diety not of interest to you?

How can you nullify us with actual physical do ented proof of our claims with no physical do ented tangible proof of your own?

I've addressed these concerns. It does not raise questions for me because long before the existence of any of the gods mentioned, messianic prophecies were spoken of on the earth, including as early as 3700 BC by Enoch. It not beyond the realm of possibility (probably likely) that societies filled in the blanks on their own by assigining an Osiris, a Mithra, a part of their society to be the one to fulfill that prophecy.

The dates, to me, are of little importance. Our entire calendar is based on the sun, so why is it of any significance that the dates we celebrate the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus are dates that have held cultural significance even before the birth of Jesus? Of course the dates will be aligned. They can be posted repeatedly, a million times, and these numbers and dates will provide nothing conclusive concerning the existence or non-existence of Jesus Christ.

Now, I know that isn't good enough physical proof for you, but it's certainly enough to cast reasonable doubt into what you and MiamiHeat are trying to establish as irrefutable evidence (which it is not, and no court of law would say that it is).

I've said this before and I'll say it again now. I know that there are unknowns in the Bible, and in the Christian faith. I struggle with them from time to time, and I search for answers to those questions. But, eliminating God from the equation just introduces a whole new set of unknowns and questions. By saying you KNOW there is no god, you are claiming that you know that everything came from nothing...that life came from non-life...that order came from chaos...that natural law came from randomness. All the while, faced with ZERO physical evidence that any of that happened. NONE. But you can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that all that happened naturally...because a supreme being does not exist. Sounds to me like a giant leap of faith.

[MiamiHeat]

What I don't get if B2B and his Satan worshiping pal Miami Heat really feel there is no GOD and no purpose to life then why are they still here?

After all why not off yourselves already? Why go many years of having to work, pay bills,get sick,pay taxes,buy clothes,take showers,go to the dentist,etc...

Wouldn't you just end it all already, why would you put yourself though all this suffering?

Wow, your lack of understanding is just ...well, I can't blame you. You are still starting...

We are just monkeys. Be happy while you are here. It's a ride. We are born, we live, we reproduce, and then we die. In the meantime, enjoy the ride.

Do you have depression problems? You don't need God to have a reason to live.

Do dogs or other animals need to believe in something to live and run around ? No, they aren't as complicated as us. They just live.

Why can't you do the same? Love everyone and enjoy your time on earth, it'll be over soon.

[mouse]

Why would he do that? You're the one whose beliefs make him think he'd have something to gain by swallowing a shotgun.

Because if I keep saying I don't think the Spurs are a real NBA team, there is no such thing as a Spur! why would I keep posting in a Spurs forum?

You can't have it both ways. If you claim there is no GOD and we have no purpose to be on earth why keep living? Could it be deep down inside your afraid of the consequences?

[BacktoBasics]

What I don't get if B2B and his Satan worshiping pal Miami Heat really feel there is no GOD and no purpose to life then why are they still here?

After all why not off yourselves already? Why go many years of having to work, pay bills,get sick,pay taxes,buy clothes,take showers,go to the dentist,etc...

Wouldn't you just end it all already, why would you put yourself though all this suffering?

For the millionth time I never said there wasn't a higher power. Never once. Pay attention /bitter/dumbass/bitter/

I'm not going to off myself because I don't need god as a reason to exist. I don't require purpose. See how wonderful that is. I live because I am. I don't need a reason or purpose to do good or continue breathing. Life is a wonderful thing purposeless or not.

[MiamiHeat]

I've addressed these concerns. It does not raise questions for me because long before the existence of any of the gods mentioned, messianic prophecies were spoken of on the earth, including as early as 3700 BC by Enoch.

BULL. .

SHOW ME PROOF. This is the second time you make this claim, WITH NO PROOF. I already know the ONLY two places where Enoch is mentioned is in the freaking Bible and the apocryphal books written in the 2nd century AD.

As you say, "LINK?"

[baseline bum]

You're saying the incredible complexity of god came from chaos all at once. Most atheists think the incredible complexity of our world comes from slow processes that built it a brick at a time. Your god is a much bigger leap of faith, unless he was slowly built up from greater gods who preceded him.

[I Love Me Some Me]

BULL. .

SHOW ME PROOF. This is the second time you make this claim, WITH NO PROOF. I already know the ONLY two places where Enoch is mentioned is in the freaking Bible and the apocryphal books written in the 2nd century AD.

As you say, "LINK?"

Read the entire post....I told you it wasn't good enough for you. Now...respond to this part:

I've said this before and I'll say it again now. I know that there are unknowns in the Bible, and in the Christian faith. I struggle with them from time to time, and I search for answers to those questions. But, eliminating God from the equation just introduces a whole new set of unknowns and questions. By saying you KNOW there is no god, you are claiming that you know that everything came from nothing...that life came from non-life...that order came from chaos...that natural law came from randomness. All the while, faced with ZERO physical evidence that any of that happened. NONE. But you can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that all that happened naturally...because a supreme being does not exist. Sounds to me like a giant leap of faith.

[baseline bum]

Because if I keep saying I don't think the Spurs are a real NBA team, there is no such thing as a Spur! why would I keep posting in a Spurs forum?

You can't have it both ways. If you claim there is no GOD and we have no purpose to be on earth why keep living? Could it be deep down inside your afraid of the consequences?

Why is going out and having fun in your short time here not reason enough to keep living?

[DoubtingThomas]

B2B and Miamiheat put me to shame.

[MiamiHeat]

This is NOT about saying "God doesn't exist"

This is about -CHRISTIANITY and it's God-

[BacktoBasics]

I've addressed these concerns. It does not raise questions for me because long before the existence of any of the gods mentioned, messianic prophecies were spoken of on the earth, including as early as 3700 BC by Enoch. It not beyond the realm of possibility (probably likely) that societies filled in the blanks on their own by assigining an Osiris, a Mithra, a part of their society to be the one to fulfill that prophecy.

The dates, to me, are of little importance. Our entire calendar is based on the sun, so why is it of any significance that the dates we celebrate the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus are dates that have held cultural significance even before the birth of Jesus? Of course the dates will be aligned. They can be posted repeatedly, a million times, and these numbers and dates will provide nothing conclusive concerning the existence or non-existence of Jesus Christ.

Now, I know that isn't good enough physical proof for you, but it's certainly enough to cast reasonable doubt into what you and MiamiHeat are trying to establish as irrefutable evidence (which it is not, and no court of law would say that it is).

I've said this before and I'll say it again now. I know that there are unknowns in the Bible, and in the Christian faith. I struggle with them from time to time, and I search for answers to those questions. But, eliminating God from the equation just introduces a whole new set of unknowns and questions. By saying you KNOW there is no god, you are claiming that you know that everything came from nothing...that life came from non-life...that order came from chaos...that natural law came from randomness. All the while, faced with ZERO physical evidence that any of that happened. NONE. But you can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that all that happened naturally...because a supreme being does not exist. Sounds to me like a giant leap of faith.

Then why not come to terms with the fact that their might be a higher power but likely not in the form of organized religion that we know of today.

I think its somewhat irresponsible to recognize the significance of the dates in relation to astrological importance but find no value in how its portrayed within Jesus.

Isn't that like saying "yeah two different things seems to be the same but thats not important because my Jesus is right".

I believe there is a chance (at least 50/50) that there is a higher power. I never argued against the belief of God just the form of belief in which modern religion depicts him.

If this were anything other than Jesus the evidence would probably hold far more weight to you. The similarities and correlations are too great and too well founded to find no value in them.

I feel like you've agrued the most successfully of the bunch at least you acknowledge some of the facts as being "interesting".

[BacktoBasics]

This is NOT about saying "God doesn't exist"

This is about -CHRISTIANITY and it's God-

Thank you. I have no proof supporting the claim of no god or no higher power. We have tons of supporting information of the lack of proof pertaining to Jesus and Christianity.

[dickface]

Anybody who isn't a complete idiot knows that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. The Bible even says so.

[mouse]

Wow, your lack of understanding is just ...well, I can't blame you. You are still starting...

So you have some faith in me I can maybe some day see your point and agree with you?

We are just monkeys.

Well then why do you wear clothes? Why not just go to the jungle and live off the land?

Be happy while you are here.

Happy like you and your bitter friend B2B, that kind of happy, or the Angel_luv happy? Define happy.

It's a ride. We are born, we live, we reproduce, and then we die. In the meantime, enjoy the ride.

How can we enjoy anything if we have to put up with your hateful postings? And some of us may want the ride to continue in the after life. Your life ends at Wally world.

Do you have depression problems? You don't need God to have a reason to live.

So what keeps you alive and so happy about your life? If your just here using up oxygen and food why not do us all a favor and take an early dirt nap so the rest of us can appreciate what the earth has to offer.

Do dogs or other animals need to believe in something to live and run around ? No, they aren't as complicated as us. They just live.

That is no way to talk about your ancestors. Show some respect. Don't drag them into your lame debates unless you can supply them with laptops? they need not to be called out.

Why can't you do the same? Love everyone and enjoy your time on earth, it'll be over soon.

What do you know about love you have no spirit your just blood and bones remember?

[baseline bum]

Your life ends at Wally world.

So does yours.

[BacktoBasics]

Anybody who isn't a complete idiot knows that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. The Bible even says so.

Previously stated

It is believed that Christmas' date was chosen to take advantage of the imperial holiday of the birth of the Sun God Mithras, more specifically Sol Invictus, which coincided with the "return of the sun" after the shortest day of the year. The reason was to replace the popular pagan holiday with a Christian celebration of holy communion. For example, the Catholic Encyclopedia states: "Natalis Invicti, celebrated on 25 December, has a strong claim on the responsibility for our December date.

"It was a custom of the Pagans to celebrate on the same 25 December the birthday of the Sun, at which they kindled lights in token of festivity. In these solemnities and revelries the Christians also took part. Accordingly when the doctors of the Church perceived that the Christians had a leaning to this festival, they took counsel and resolved that the true Nativity should be solemnised on that day." (cited in "Christianity and Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth Centuries", Ramsay MacMullen. Yale:1997, p155) Early Christians were ridiculed, tortured and cast apart from operative society precisely because they would not participate in the pagan feasts and celebrations. The early Christians set themselves directly in opposition to the paganism which ruled the day. "Since Christians worshipped an invisible God, pagans often declared them to be atheists." (cited in "The Story of Christianity, volume 1, The Early Church to the Dawn of the Reformation", HarperCollins Publishers, 1984, p36)

[BacktoBasics]

Mouse: Why is it a problem for me to find happiness without a belief in God? Isn't needing this "purpose" or "meaning" you speak of support my claim that religion is nothing but a crutch for the weak who refuse to hold themselves accountable?

[mouse]

For the millionth time I never said there wasn't a higher power.

Sorry I didn't see that post reading through all the you words you spew.

I will go back and try to read all your postings. (my bad)
Maybe you do think there is a higher power, one thing is for sure you don't fear or respect it.

Never once. Pay attention /bitter/dumbass/bitter/

Sorry I took you for a bitter person your far from it!

I'm not going to off myself because I don't need god as a reason to exist.

Did you need your mother? after all w/o her would you even be here?
I get it you only need someone to get you where you want to be then you say them. I think I am catching on.

I don't require purpose. See how wonderful that is. I live because I am. I don't need a reason or purpose to do good or continue breathing. Life is a wonderful thing purposeless or not.

Did you ever make that video I asked you for?

[MiamiHeat]

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According to mouse -

1) mouse thinks you need to believe in mouse's God to be alive, otherwise you should kill yourself

2) mouse thinks if you believe in evolution, you should walk around naked

3) mouse thinks it's not possible to be happy unless you believe in mouse's God

4) mouse thinks anyone who presents factual and historical evidence about religion prevents mouse from being happy

5) mouse thinks you should kill yourself and stop using up the oxygen and food if you don't believe in mouse' god

6) mouse thinks if you don't believe in mouse's god then you don't know anything about love




I'm not even going to comment. That speaks for itself. That kind of crazy doesn't just grow on trees.

[mouse]

Mouse: Why is it a problem for me to find happiness without a belief in God?

Because according to you there should be no such thing as happiness. That is an emotion and since we came from space dust and evolved from the fish we should not have emotions. By having happiness your proving your more than just DNA you have a spirit.

Isn't needing this "purpose" or "meaning" you speak of support my claim that religion is nothing but a crutch for the weak who refuse to hold themselves accountable?

I don't care about religion I am only here to prove there is someone out their who placed us here. And I am sure i will do that very thing before you die.

[mouse]

According to mouse -

1) mouse thinks you need to believe in mouse's God to be alive, otherwise you should kill yourself

2) mouse thinks if you believe in evolution, you should walk around naked

3) mouse thinks it's not possible to be happy unless you believe in mouse's God

4) mouse thinks anyone who presents factual and historical evidence about religion prevents mouse from being happy

5) mouse thinks you should kill yourself and stop using up the oxygen and food if you don't believe in mouse' god

6) mouse thinks if you don't believe in mouse's god then you don't know anything about love




I'm not even going to comment. That speaks for itself. That kind of crazy doesn't just grow on trees.

If this is your way of waving the white flag I will accept it.

[JoeChalupa]

The original question was "Is there a God" not about Chrisitianity. So B2B and MiamiHeat proven nothing. NADA!!!

[baseline bum]

Because according to you there should be no such thing as happiness. That is an emotion and since we came from space dust and evolved from the fish we should not have emotions. By having happiness your proving your more than just DNA you have a spirit.

How many ridiculous ideas can you come here with? Happiness requires there to be ghosts and all other kinds of paranormal mumjo jumbo?

I don't care about religion I am only here to prove there is someone out their who placed us here. And I am sure i will do that very thing before you die.

Even if he shoots himself right now like you're telling him to do? I wonder
what Jesus would think of someone egging a person on to commit suicide?

[MiamiHeat]

If this is your way of waving the white flag I will accept it.

I didn't know they had computers in the loony bin

[MiamiHeat]

The original question was "Is there a God" not about Chrisitianity. So B2B and MiamiHeat proven nothing. NADA!!!

Oh, in that case, I agree. It's not possible to disprove a 'general' God.

But CHRISTIANITY is provable to be false.


For all we know, there is a God and his favorite team is the Miami Dolphins and the San Antonio Spurs and right now he is in another galaxy making walking talking chewbacca's on a planet far far away