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its typical. and im not surprised.
No they dont actually watch the game. They look for mistakes from somebody other than the big 3 (sometimes even the big 3) and then say "player b sucks". If it IS one of the big three then they will say "trade him". Every player either is an all star or sucks...on ST anyway. And by the way get used to clueless posters w/ low bball IQ's proposing all kinds of roster moves that dont make sense.
its typical. and im not surprised.
STFU Jack Haley couldnt hustle to a buffet table....OMG and NO they dont all have energy and hustle...you dont know Jack S**t never mind Jack Haley LOL
Just because he hasnt "developed" yet doesnt mean he wont either. You dont know s**t about bball if you can honestly sit there and say he is NOT developing. I say that because he hasnt been w/ the team long enough to come to that conclusion. LOL Are u serious? your expertise has you coming to that conclusion?
Heres a perfect example: Everybody said Matt Bonner sucks and im sure you were one of them. Now you suckas have to move to another member of the squad to bash because Bonner is a league leader in 3pt shooting and is even hauling down game saving rebounds now LOL Makes you all look like asses. Tolliver will probably have you lookin like an ass by this time next year too.
Oberto is a good passer but no one respects his jumper enough for him to be too effective in hi-lo situations. Oberto is more of a lo-lo passer.
He's made good amount of quality passes in his sporadic minutes. In his first game alone he had two really good passes. Last game he had another very good pass.
Bonner has made the pass a few times but it's unnatural for him. His first reaction is to always swing it to the corner ... which makes TD and Pop mad at him.
That's a good observation and I mostly agree. However, Tolliver has missed a number of wide open threes with no one in his vicinity. But that could be due to his lowered confidence due to his slow release in general . . .
Exactly. If Tolliver is waived tomorrow I wouldn't care too much but his skillset is definitely interesting. An inexpensive hustle big who is a plus passer, potentially a three-point shooter and a quick enough defender that he can defend out on the perimeter? If nothing else, Tolliver has a rare skillset.
I can't think of another hustle big who has been available for the minimum in the last few years with the same skillset. I agree that Tolliver may not be an NBA level player but I can't agree with someone who says Tolliver's skillset is easily replaceable.
true. all tolliver needs is to work on his jumpshot and 3-ball so he can nail them in the nba. if he learns to shoot well from long range he should be a permanent roster player.
besides, it doesnt hurt to keep a guy like this floating around and developing. hes still got plenty of time to develop.
his energy and hustle makes him great for coming off the bench and providing a spark for the team. he may not turn into something great, but spurs should keep him, for now at least
To be honest I do not follow college basketball closely. I have just seen throughout the years guys coming in and out of the league that have been good passers, hustle and bring good energy.
I am hard pressed to think of any names that fit your requirments, I was more assuming, based on what I have seen, that if we can win now with Deke, then you could at least come close to replicating Tollivers skill set at his age (maybe not all of it together, but pieces) later.
One guy that comes to mind is a Gary Forbes type player. But I have not seen him enought to get a great guage.
To be fair TimVP, no one respects Tollivers jumper right now either.
Last edited by DPG21920; 12-29-2008 at 05:25 PM.
He has really showed some nice passing. That is something that has surprised me. He has done an array of nice passes: he has done hi-lo lobs, hi-lo bounce passes and even had a nice scoop dish on the fast break in a 3 on 1 situation.
Forbes is a G/F.
Isn't he like 6'7 and 230 lbs? What is Tolliver; something like 6'8 245?
Edit: I guess that is true, Finley is about the same size. Tolliver is still a bit undersized for the low block, but does well on the perimeter. Once again I am hard pressed to find a player like Chump mentioned with the all around game, but the point I was making is that Tolliver really has not shown the full game.
It has all come in pieces. I like him and I would not mind seeing him stay. But if Mutumbo is available, I think he is worth letting go because we can find guys who can bring a combo of what Tolliver has shown (either the shooting with the hustle, or the passing with the hustle and peremiter D...)
Tolliver has all 3, but he has yet to put it together (although I realize it is early).
Last edited by DPG21920; 12-29-2008 at 05:39 PM.
Forbes is 6-5.5 and 220. Tolliver is 6-8.5 and 250.
Are you talking about real life height, because he is listed as 6'7 on multiple sites:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player...playerId=15152
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfil...er=gary_forbes
Yes, actual draft camp measurement height. Not invented height.
Why you acting like I just made it up to back up my point?
He is still raw and with any raw player it takes time to mold them.
I'm talking about the height Forbes invented.
I never understood how players can just lie, then get measured, then still get listed under the lie.
George Hill even said that is his last interview. He said that one of the things that most surprised him was the height. He said guys listed at 6'2 were barely even 5'11.
I am all for that, but this is a balance act. If what the FO said is true and this is the last le shot for this core you have to have some kind of a win now at ude.
I am not saying mortgage your entire future, but Mutumbo for Tolliver is small enough to possibly give the Spurs the edge this year with out completely sacraficing the future. I am all for Tolliver and have posted in his favor many times, but I just feel this would be the better move.
As mentioned before this all hinges on Mutumbo actually wanting to play for the Spurs. There are also other options such as waving Vaughn to make room which someone mentioned.
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