Is there a God?

[MiamiHeat]

Dinosaurs are not a choice to believe in. They are real.

Listen, if you have such a problem with dinosaurs, historical research, and science in general, why are you enjoying the fruits of science?

According to mouse's logic, you should turn off your computer and throw it in the trash can since you don't believe in science.

[mouse]

Look I get what you're doing. Its a weak attempt to get me to melt by posting statements that never came out of my mouth.

Didn't you support the theory man came from evolution, Do i have to quote you?

I guess thats what you've come to. There was a point in time when I found you humorous. So as of right now all you've boiled down to is making up lies about my statements to get a pathetic laugh or two. The quality of your work is truely suffering if you've relegated yourself to these depths.

Your giving me way to much credit brah!

I'm done responding to you unless you can either be funny again or want a serious debate.

I think on page 2 or 3 when you had your first mini meltdown the serious debate was out the window.

[MiamiHeat]

Let's go back to the days when the Christian Church labeled science as 'heretic behavior' and killed and tortured people who practiced it.

Weee, no more medicine or anything we enjoy today!

I LOVE YOU GOD! THIS IS ALL FOR YOU!

xoxoxo

[BacktoBasics]

Here's a translation of the Book of the Dead. This is what would be called a "source do ent." Please cite the plates where the alleged carbon-copy parallels to Jesus are found.

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I think the source is a great depiction of the personification of Gods. Which is the basis for my argument. I'm getting ready to leave for the day but I'll certainly indulge in the citing of significant dates pertaining to many other "gods" tomorrow.

and gave birth to his body, and established unending and unvarying right and truth upon the earth." As a solar god he is called "Ptah, the Disk of heaven, who illumineth the world by the fire of his eyes,"; and in the Book of the Dead he is said to have "opened" the mouth of the deceased with the tool with which he opened the mouths of the gods.[1] He is depicted in the form of a mummy standing upon maat and in his hands he holds a sceptre on the top of which are the emblems of power, life, and stability; from the back of his neck hangs the menat (see p. 1, note 2).[2] Ptah formed at Memphis the chief member of the triad Ptah-Sekhet and Nefer-Tmu.

In many texts the god Ptah is often joined to the god Seker whose individual attributes it is not easy to describe; Seker is the Egyptian name of the incarnation of the Apis bull at Memphis. That Seker was a solar god is quite clear, but whether he "closed" the day or the night is not certain. Originally his festival was celebrated in the evening, wherefrom it appears that he represented some form of the night sun; but in later times the ceremony of drawing the image of the god Seker in the hennu boat round the sanctuary was performed in the morning at dawn, and thus, united with Ptah, he became the closer of the night and the opener of the day. He is depicted as a mummied body with the head of a hawk, and he sometimes holds in his hands emblems of power, sovereignty, and rule.[3]

Another form of Ptah was Ptah-Seker-Ausar wherein the creator of the world, the sun, and Osiris as the god of the dead, were represented. A large number of faïence figures of this triune god are found in graves, and specimens exist in all museums. He is represented as a dwarf standing upon a crocodile, and having a scarabæus upon his head; the scarab is the emblem of the new life into which the deceased is about to break, the crocodile is the emblem of the darkness of death which has been overcome. According to some the element of Ptah in the triad is the personification of the period of incubation which follows

[JoeChalupa]

Dinosaurs are not a choice to believe in. They are real.

Listen, if you have such a problem with dinosaurs, historical research, and science in general, why are you enjoying the fruits of science?

According to mouse's logic, you should turn off your computer and throw it in the trash can since you don't believe in science.

Well no sherlock dinosaurs are real. It is not even a comparison. To me God and Jesus are real and if you don't believe so then so be it. Why are you so worried and concerned about Christianity. If it doesn't work for you then why do you care?

[MiamiHeat]

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According to mouse -

1) mouse thinks you need to believe in mouse's God to be alive, otherwise you should kill yourself

2) mouse thinks if you believe in evolution, you should walk around naked

3) mouse thinks it's not possible to be happy unless you believe in mouse's God

4) mouse thinks anyone who presents factual and historical evidence about religion prevents mouse from being happy

5) mouse thinks you should kill yourself and stop using up the oxygen and food if you don't believe in mouse' god

6) mouse thinks if you don't believe in mouse's god then you don't know anything about love

[Kori Ellis]

there should be a god/religion forum so that the club/political forum don't get spammed with this bull all the time. can we at least mix it up some?

The Political forum is actually supposed to be where the religion/God threads go. It's part of the reason the political forum was set up. As it says in the description, "Post about politics, news, government, religion and business."

However, The Club is just a catch-all, so it's fine here every once in a while.

[mouse]

According to mouse's logic, you should turn off your computer and throw it in the trash can since you don't believe in science.

I have no problem with Science as long as they don't lie to the kids in school. Like when they say the earth is 45 billion years old then I have a problem. They could just say they think the earth is millions of years old but they don't they even have the dates on when each species evolved. You fools can't even prove back in the 90s that OJ killed his wife and you expect me to believe the earth is over 25 million years old?

show me proof!

[BacktoBasics]

Those arguments are lame at best. Weak..very weak. If you choose to believe or disbelieve in dinosaurs is your decision just as my belief in God and Jesus Christ is my decision. If you dont' believe then don't. Nobody is forcing you so why does it bother you so much?
You need a life coach to get over your insecurities and fear about religion.

Calm down. He said the world is 6000 years old. I asked him to explain how dinosaurs fossils date back millions of years. I think he was trying to tell me that dinosaurs either existed within 6000 years or the bones were put here by God. I'm not sure.

I guess or I wonder if he realizes that carbon dating isn't the only method for calculating dates.

Joe do you believe in dinosaurs?

Is this wrong to teach our youth of their existence millions of years ago?

[mouse]

Let's go back to the days when the Christian Church labeled science as 'heretic behavior' and killed and tortured people who practiced it.

Weee, no more medicine or anything we enjoy today!

I LOVE YOU GOD! THIS IS ALL FOR YOU!

xoxoxo

There went your serous debate street creds.

[MiamiHeat]

Well no sherlock dinosaurs are real. It is not even a comparison. To me God and Jesus are real and if you don't believe so then so be it. Why are you so worried and concerned about Christianity. If it doesn't work for you then why do you care?

Are you aware of the history, persecution, bloodshed, intolerance, censorship, and corruption that has always been hand-in-hand with religion?

Let's put it to modern times. Islamic 'holy warriors' ring a bell?

[MiamiHeat]

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According to mouse -

1) mouse thinks you need to believe in mouse's God to be alive, otherwise you should kill yourself

2) mouse thinks if you believe in evolution, you should walk around naked

3) mouse thinks it's not possible to be happy unless you believe in mouse's God

4) mouse thinks anyone who presents factual and historical evidence about religion prevents mouse from being happy

5) mouse thinks you should kill yourself and stop using up the oxygen and food if you don't believe in mouse' god

6) mouse thinks if you don't believe in mouse's god then you don't know anything about love

[BacktoBasics]

Well no sherlock dinosaurs are real. It is not even a comparison. To me God and Jesus are real and if you don't believe so then so be it. Why are you so worried and concerned about Christianity. If it doesn't work for you then why do you care?

Well you say this but your Christian buddy thinks you're going to for believing the earth or the universe as well as all existence is over 6000 years old.

So when you're a Christian you can pick and choose the exact beliefs you carry? One Christian can say "oh yeah sure dummy of course dinos are real". The other can say "the bible says we are only 6000 years old".

So which one of you is right? Which one will your God damn to ?

[JoeChalupa]

You don't know the first thing about Christianity if that's what you think

I haven't practiced Christianity for over 10 years and even I know more than you about your own religion

You think you do but you really don't.

[baseline bum]

So which one of you is right? Which one will your God damn to ?

Probably both. He sounds like he's got a bit of a temper.

[BacktoBasics]

Probably both. He sounds like he's got a bit of a temper.

Its ok to believe some science? I'm not sure how you can take Christianity for 100% accuracy and sit there and tell me that man walked with dinosaurs 6000 years ago or that dinosaurs don't exist because carbon dating is questionable. Even though carbon dating is one of many ways to determine age.

[JoeChalupa]

Are you aware of the history, persecution, bloodshed, intolerance, censorship, and corruption that has always been hand-in-hand with religion?

Let's put it to modern times. Islamic 'holy warriors' ring a bell?

Sure am. Never said it was perfect. But again, if you don't believe then don't. You stopped 10 years ago so get over it. Damn.

[mouse]

Calm down. He said the world is 6000 years old. I asked him to explain how dinosaurs fossils date back millions of years.

Fossils they thought was millions of years old have shown up in the old west also the geologic column has been proven fake

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/471282...ologic_column/

[mouse]

Since we have such great minds of B2B and his lapdog MaimiHeat I have a question or two.....If the earth is at least a million years old why is the oldest tree on earth only 20 thousand years old? Also if the Mississippi river moves 400-million cubic yards of mud, sand and gravel each year then why isn't it the size of the united states by now since the earth is millions of years old?

[JoeChalupa]

Whooohooo!!!! I love this game!!!

[MiamiHeat]

Since we have such great minds of B2B and his lapdog MaimiHeat I have a question or two.....If the earth is at least a million years old why is the oldest tree on earth only 20 thousand years old? Also if the Mississippi river moves 400-million cubic yards of mud, sand and gravel each year then why isn't it the size of the united states by now since the earth is millions of years old?

According to mouse -

1) mouse said you need to believe in mouse's God to be alive, otherwise you should kill yourself

2) mouse said if you believe in evolution, you should walk around naked

3) mouse said it's not possible to be happy unless you believe in mouse's God

4) mouse said anyone who presents factual and historical evidence about religion prevents mouse from being happy

5) mouse said you should kill yourself and stop using up the oxygen and food if you don't believe in mouse' god

6) mouse said if you don't believe in mouse's god then you don't know anything about love

[JoeChalupa]

According to MiamiHeat:

1. Nothing matters because as God is my witness I am correct.

[MiamiHeat]

you continue to confuse me with hundreds of scholars over many centuries.

everything i posted has been known by many scholars and such over centuries

[Crookshanks]

I never said I didn't believe in dinosaurs - I simply said I didn't believe they were on the earth millions of years ago. However, my beliefs can be different than Joe's - but that doesn't mean God is going to condemn one of us to . Man, you really have NO idea what born-again christians believe. All that is necessary for one to avoid going to is to believe that Jesus is God's only son - sent here to save us from our sins. We must believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, was crucified on a cross, and rose again on the third day. We confess our sins and our need for a savior and ask Jesus to come into our heart and be the ruler of our life - that's all. Other beliefs are secondary and have no bearing on our eternal destiny.

As for not believing in science - I never said that either! I believe in science - in fact, I believe that the more advanced science becomes, the more implausible it is to believe in evolution!

[JoeChalupa]

you continue to confuse me with hundreds of scholars over many centuries.

everything i posted has been known by many scholars and such over centuries

Believe me, the last thing I would ever confuse you with is a scholar. And even scholars have not been able to prove that God does not exist.