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Superman, sent by his father from space because he was going to be killed as a baby. Reaches Earth and saves mankind. Has super powers and helps people during his travels.
Do you understand how stories are used over and over?
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Superman, sent by his father from space because he was going to be killed as a baby. Reaches Earth and saves mankind. Has super powers and helps people during his travels.
Do you understand how stories are used over and over?
Yup, I sure do. The Bible has some good ones to. The story of Job is one of my favorites or how Noah built that huge ass boat and loaded two of every animal on it to save everything oh and there is one line that just cracks me up, it goes something like this "its better to cast ur seed in the belly of a than the face of a rock" something like that. Basically Men don't jerk off, if you have to go get a ! A sort of ok for cheating!Love those tall tales!
Disagree completely.
Cutting and pasting links isn't an argument, and pointing to a syncretistic process by which Isis subsumes thousands of deities, resulting in some resemblance to the Christ tale, proves nothing by itself. Except that religions share a large number of themes and tropes, and almost all of them have a determinate relationship to the calendar and celestial bodies. And to whoever lives nearby.
You seem to think the priority of some theme or trope in a cult disproves the veracity of any cult that follows it. In fact, it only shows your confirmation bias. No such conclusion is necessary. Resemblance doesn't prove influence, and even were the influences proven, the cultus isn't refuted simply because material is borrowed.
There may be arguments out there that tend to back you up MH, but you haven't made them yourself. All you do is point to others who began with the same premise, then used the so-called evidence like a buffet line. Reading your so-called arguments is almost as bad as reading theosophy -- everything is based on bogus philology and superficial likeness.
What I find intriguing is that the tale -- true or false -- is much more powerful and compelling to people than historicity, reason and science. That should tell you something right there.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-31-2008 at 06:14 PM.
It's like trying to leave a sore tooth alone, or not rubbernecking when you pass a wreck.
That is the way they are generally used, MH. That is the way you use them yourself in this thread.
Your point?
The story of Moses leading the people out of Egypt....
Apparently, while wandering through the desert, Moses and the people were led by God through the desert by a "pillar of fire" by night and a "pillar of cloud" by day.
Now, you have the supernatural literal translation of it. You believe this happened :
The reality?
Alexander the Great used an ingenious way to unify his campaigns during his many travels. During the night, he had his men carry a tall pole with fire on the very top to use as a signal to his men to follow. During the day, the men carried a tall pole with smoke for his men to follow.
Ancient Egyptians loved to travel in caravans by night due to the heat of the sun. They also used a tall pole with fire to guide them. The Egyptian military used this same technique, fire by night, smoke/cloud by day. As did the ancient Persians. In fact, this was THE way you safely traveled back then.
This was standard military practice for the Egyptians and many others.
So -2- poles or "pillars"..... One with Fire, the other with Smoke/Cloud.
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What is your explanation for all of this?
All of it just one big coincidence right?
Such dishonesty is really repulsive to a guy like me who believes we should always seek the truth
God created EVIL................. Nice guy.
Dishonesty? This martial etiology of biblical imagery is itself an interpretation. It's authority is mere fiat. Forgive me for not bowing and scraping to it.The story of Moses leading the people out of Egypt....
Apparently, while wandering through the desert, Moses and the people were led by God through the desert by a "pillar of fire" by night and a "pillar of cloud" by day.
Now, you have the supernatural literal translation of it. You believe this happened :
The reality?
Alexander the Great used an ingenious way to unify his campaigns during his many travels. During the night, he had his men carry a tall pole with fire on the very top to use as a signal to his men to follow. During the day, the men carried a tall pole with smoke for his men to follow.
Ancient Egyptians loved to travel in caravans by night due to the heat of the sun. They also used a tall pole with fire to guide them. The Egyptian military used this same technique, fire by night, smoke/cloud by day. As did the ancient Persians. In fact, this was THE way you safely traveled back then.
This was standard military practice for the Egyptians and many others.
So -2- poles or "pillars"..... One with Fire, the other with Smoke/Cloud.
Click here for reference
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What is your explanation for all of this?
All of it just one big coincidence right?
Such dishonesty is really repulsive to a guy like me who believes we should always seek the truth
What do you suppose it proves, MH?
Do you realize how many millions of Christians and Jews believe the literal explanation behind the story?
Aren't you one of them?
Really, the closest you come to making an argument in your own words is:
"It all couldn't be a coincidence, right?"
Don't ignore the question.
Aren't you one of them? Do you believe the supernatural explanation to the stories such as the one above?
Not at all. I respect exegetics. The plain meaning of scripture can be very hard to establish, and interpretation is a .
So you don't believe in the literal, supernatural explanations behind the Biblical stories.
You are not a believer. Why are you arguing with me, again?
Busted
Not quite. You jumped to conclusions. Because I think teasing a literal meaning from scripture is not only foolish, but perilous, does not mean I am an unbeliever. It only means I care about learning. You seem to be unalive to the distinction.So you don't believe in the literal, supernatural explanations behind the Biblical stories.
You are not a believer. Why are you arguing with me, again?
Busted
I get to say what goes for me, m'kay MH?
Offer to join the club declined, without regrets.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-30-2008 at 09:29 PM.
Ah, so only YOU have the answers to the real religion. You pick and choose what to believe, I see.
Good luck on that one. Maybe you should start a new denomination after you figure out what you choose to keep from the bible.
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Anyway, to anyone else, sufficient proof was given and there is no denying it.
I'm more about picking out the right questions, I'm lawyerly that way. I don't think I have the answers for anybody.
Prove me wrong, MH:
"Being MH means asking all the questions, and answering none."
You really shouldn't thump such a weak chest -- it might cave in.Good luck on that one. Maybe you should start a new denomination after you figure out what you choose to keep from the bible.
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Anyway, to anyone else, sufficient proof was given and there is no denying it.
If you really care so much, use the search function to find my religious affiliation. I don't particularly care to share it with you, nor to bandy words about it. You're a lousy conversationalist.
Who doesn't? Are you asking me who doesn't pick and choose from the Bible to create their own religion ?
Is that a serious question....
I'm here to discuss facts. If anyone has a rebuttal to the facts I posted, I will be entertained to watch you try and rewrite history.
There is no denying that Christianity is just another form of Sun worship and Judaism isn't far behind.
You seem to be stuck on this, but I notice it's a lonely canoe. Wonder why.
He isn't alone by any stretch of ur imaginaton.Thats really what keeps this topic going,imagination!
I notice also your .000 batting average on direct questions to you, MH. Yet we all have to answer you, or we're cowards.
Your fellow atheists will no doubt thank you for upholding the stereotype of atheists as conceited, vindictive bigots.
You're convinced by MH?
What was the convincing part?
This is a logical fallacy that a child could recognize. Appeal to popularity. As if the amount of people on either side has anything to do with the validity of the argument.
Logical fallacy #1
Logical fallacy #2
Ad hominem. Has nothing to do with the facts being presented.
I have repeatedly made it a point to mention that all of this information is very old. It has been known to scholars and intellectuals for CENTURIES. NOTHING NEW. If anyone is 'convinced' by anything posted in this thread, it is not by me.
and lastly, you automatically assume anyone who holds this position must have been convinced in this thread.
Because nobody could have had this opinion before they came into the thread?
Do you realize how many millions of people do not believe? It's around the 3rd or 4th largest population, after Islam, Christianity, etc.
Yeah, with your overall asshole behavior and lack of logic, I don't think you are very important. Move along now, winehole23, I have -0- interest to interact with you.
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