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Proportional response. Too bad it didn't work.
The Ethic of Reciprocity is being realized on a terrorist organization, and they have no one to fault but themselves for the current assault.
Although the MSM rarely reports on it, Hamas has arbitrarily, and without provocation, lobbed several thousand missles into Israel this year. With that in mind, no one should be surprised at Israel's reprisal, nor should they be defending Hamas for the fury currently being unleashed upon Hamas.
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Proportional response. Too bad it didn't work.
You're hallucinating the omission. I'm guessing you don't watch much TV or read many newspapers, because it's routinely mentioned.
Four out of four links in this very thread mention Hamas attacks. So much for the coverup.
Fair enough. It doesn't smack of collective punishment to you?
Oh it is collective punishment but just another failed tactic. Bottom line is nothing is going to work because one side doesn't want peace, they want the other side to stop existing. Since that's not going to happen we'll get to occasionally talk about Isreal throwing down the hammer for the rest of our lives.
Peaceful solutions won't work, violent solutions won't work, the US president is always expected to solve the problem and of course always fails. Talking about the Isreal Palestine conflict is like talking about the movie Groundhog Day.
Cynicism is hard to resist. I hope you're wrong, but concede you're likely right.
What an idiot...stupid logic like that is exactly why Argentina is a hole.
Do you expect a proportional response when you start a fight?
Seriously...go pick a fight with the biggest meanest dude you can find..go up and punch him, and then tell him you expect a proportional response. Cry victim when you don't get one.
As he's removing his fist from your ass, maybe then you'll see how stupid you really are.
Here's a ing hint...how about assholes that start fights take their asskickings...and if they can't handle it, then don't start the fight in the first place.
God you're ing stupid...
I'm actually happy to not hear much about it from Bush or Obama. It's their business, leave them alone.
If you spit at me, I might kill you as in fear if you had AIDS, you might have shortened my life!
Did you know spitting at someone is a serious assault in some states for that reason?
why dont american give palestine $3b each year like the israels so they can fight on even ground....
I watch more televised news than I should, and I subscribe to a newspaper (Toledo Blade) until around election time. And no, the Hamas attacks are not routinely mentioned.
Maybe you subscribe to the Jewish World Review.
That's great, and thanks for counting...Four out of four links in this very thread mention Hamas attacks. So much for the coverup.
I'll say it for you again; "the MSM "rarely" reports on Hamas attacks, even though they are virtually non-stop.
I'll help you with this one Winehole (but you're on you own for here on out), the operative word is "rarely", that in and of itself hardly cons utes hallucinations on my part, or a coverup.
I'm referring to Worldwide media bias in their coverage of the conflict between Israel and their sworn terrorist enemies.
If it were Israel arbitrarily lobbing missles on a regular basis, we could rest assured that the MSM would have non-stop coverage.
Throw the U.N. into the bias category too, they're little more than a tool for terrorism in the conflict.
So far, your shtick has consisted of nothing more than putting words in my mouth (coverup), and wild, unfounded conclusions (hallucinating) to what I've said.
That's fine winehole, but try to mix in a bit of intelligent, civilized discourse with it.
The 100% ratio in this thread doesn't bode well for your perception, and it is at odds with mine. I'm a more or less compulsive consumer of English language print media, and the justification for Israel's countermeasures to Hamas is -- the word is routinely... I am tempted to say ritualistically... cited.
Believe it or not, I'm more than a little sympathetic to this view. There's no doubt US media give more credence to Israel's side of things than the rest of the world. Perhaps my residence in the US and reliance on US print media has colored my perception that the MSM is fair -- some would say more than fair -- to Israel. I have the North American bias. I'll readily grant that it is not so elsewhere.
When somebody dies, the story runs. If it bleeds, it leads. Otherwise who cares?
Don't get me wrong, a terrorist attack is a terrorist attack. But if the method of attack is extremely inefficient -- like the Hamas missiles -- surely the foreign press can be forgiven for citing the failed attacks from time to time, rather than reporting them one by one.
You start well, but finish badly. The UN has an anti-Israel bias for sure. To characterize it as a tool for Israel's enemies is surely a provincial view of the organization. Not unreasonable, in my view, but provincial nevertheless.
Just curious, would you say the same about Gush Shalom and B'Tselem?
I thought your comment was careless, but I'll admit to being guilty of imprecision myself. Putting the word "coverup" in your mouth was a slight mischaracterization, and accusing you of hallucinating was unkind. I apologize for the unfriendly tone.
I still disagree with you that the MSM (in the US, at least) minimizes or hides Hamas attacks. They are mentioned whenever Israeli/Palestinian tensions are reported on. Almost without exception. So I'll stand by my point that your characterization that the MSM doesn't cover the crimes of Hamas is not only erroneous, but obtuse.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-31-2008 at 07:50 PM.
This whole problem could have been solved if they would have created Israel in Europe. Possibly in Germany.
I don't throw any support behind Israel. They hide behind the United States and know that they can do no wrong...and the U.S. will still support them no matter what the cost. AIPAC has too much power over the politicians in the United States and influence everything they do.
In my mind, Israel should cease to exist because it never existed in the first place. It was made...not by the Jewish people but by other people. It's like in the movie Munich...I think they do exploit the guilt especially to Europeans but they are also quick to throw around the word anti-semitic.
I think in an ongoing conflict like this...everyone is careful to criticise Israel for fear of being labeled anti-semitic...when criticism of Israel is not the same as being anti-semitic.
that is the problem right there, giving away something that isnt theres b4 ww1, that sovereignty should be given back to its rightful owners....
israel govt doesnt do much when israels go settle on land owned my palestines on gaza, and they go build a wall and its theirs, that doesnt solve the problem.
im sure you can rebuild israel somewhere else maybe on an island, and they can make that into a rich country with all the wealth the jews have, just like singapore or hongkong, and do whatever the they want. I dont think the germans would want there country turned into israel dude. Thats just wrong man.
I don't think the Palestinians wanted that either..but like the guy in Munich says..."My father didn't gas any Jews."
If they would have made Israel in Europe this problem could have been avoided maybe. Fact is the Palestinians from the beginning of Israels existence have had all the odds stacked against them with pretty much every Western nation supporting Israel and none supporting the Palestinians.
I don't think this problem will ever be solved because for the most part you have hard liners and radicals in power on both sides of the conflict. You have radical Israelis who will never give up their land and radical Palestinians who will fight at all costs. It's a losing battle that neither one will ever win.
Sadly it's become this. The Palestinians feel like they have no choice..and based on what I've read and seen in do entaries they have almost no rights. The Israelis can bulldoze and build over their land and they don't have the ability to stop them.
But you miss the point entirely, Europe didn't expect the Jews to survive the founding of Israel. And Europe didn't want the Jews in Europe....not just Germany, but France and England as well. It's not like anti-semitism was limited to Germany.
Hitler going after the Jews wasn't what pissed Europe off...it was when he went after their land that they got pissed off.
In any case...point the finger all you want, but the blame ultimately lies with the UK, France and the Palestinians themselves. The Israelis paid for that land...
As for why we are allied with them...well it was a marriage of convenience to limit Soviet influence in the ME...plus American Jews got a lot of money and buy off our politicians. But make no mistake about it, the alliance is a strategic one...
Beyond all that, 90% of the Mid-Eastern Countries are total holes while Israel isn't...and it's not just because we give them money.
We gave Yasser Arafat money too...he stuck it in his bank account and let his people get ed.
We give Egypt money too...still a corrupt hole.
Beyond all that part 2, half the mother ers there calling themselves the Palestinians aren't even from that area but rather expelled from all the other countries in that region.
Look...forget about singing Kumbaya with Israel...they are doing what's in their best interest, we are doing what is in ours....
It's really a matter of do you stand for holes or do you stand for non- holes...
World needs fewer holes, not more...
The neo-jacobins at Human Events aren't my cup of tea, and I find their evangelism among North America's wandering "conservative" Jews frankly embarrassing -- however well intentioned it is. The smell of neoconservative cradlepuke is getting pretty dire over there.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-31-2008 at 05:14 PM.
It's the blending of the two national interests that seems to be troublesome for our country right now IMO. We should consider our own first. Israel is our ally, but come on. Our obseqiousness is shameless at times.
Remember, whottt, that wherever the hole happens to be, people happen to live there.
To be completely clear, if you stand for the elimination of holes, you tacitly include the people.
Riposte?
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-31-2008 at 05:17 PM.
We need Israel's expertise in urban warfare for when we start bombing the liberals.
The beauty of this conflict is that both sides can logically argue themselves to be in the right, based on past precedences of international conflict mediation.
All this recent episode means is that israel had too many weapons stockpiled up that needed to be used. When these attacks are over, they will leave gaza, close the doors to the zoo, and back to the status quo.
You're comparing an armed conflict with hundreds of casualties to a ing fist fight... and I'm supposed to be the stupid one??
You seriously get more ing re ed with every passing year, don't you?? Just shut the up already. You've been owned by so many people in this forum for the past year, I'm starting to think you enjoy being the forum's resident .
It doesn't matter what type of fight. The victor is the one that fights back with an overwheming force.
Why are you anti-semetic?
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the only time america doesn't get in other peoples is when the jews are the ones killing people
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