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    I'm not even going to take mouse seriously on any of these issues because evolution has a wealth of information. Why should WE educate mouse on the success of evolution when mouse is supposed to be a big boy/girl and do it him/herself?

    Micro-evolution has been proven, etc.

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    No, you don't get it. There is extremely compelling evidence that man came from monkey,
    show me.


    that the universe is 14.5 billion years old, and so on. Fossils, carbon-dating,
    Carbon dating has be exposed for not being reliable.



    the expansion of the universe clearly shown by doppler shifts in spectrums of light emitted by celestial bodies, the theory of relativity that shows these bodies had/have a finite speed, etc. are all authoritative clues that point us in the direction you are in such violent opposition to (why, because they don't have the whole story?).
    If your just going by what you read instead of common sense, then there is really no hope trying to educate you.



    Your line of reasoning is like saying you're not going out on a date unless the woman tells you she'll suck your beforehand or no one should go out and play ball unless they can already shoot like Larry Bird.
    At least both of those reasons are possible unlike your monkey to man theory.




    Debunking Evolution:
    problems, errors, and lies exposed,
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    "Evolution" mixes two things together, one real, one imaginary. Variation is the real part. The types of bird beaks, the colors of moths, leg sizes, etc. are variation. Each type and length of beak a finch can have is already in the gene pool for finches. Creationists have always agreed that there is variation within species. But what evolutionists do not want you to know is that there are strict limits to variation that are never crossed, something every breeder of animals or plants is aware of. Evolutionists want you to think that changes continue, merging gradually into new kinds of creatures. This is where the imaginary part of the theory of evolution comes in. It says that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural selection to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles, to name a few.

    Do these big changes really happen? Evolutionists tell us we cannot see evolution taking place because it happens too slowly. A human generation takes about 20 years from birth to parenthood. They say it took tens of thousands of generations to form man from a common ancestor with the ape, from populations of only hundreds or thousands. We do not have these problems with bacteria. A new generation of bacteria grows in as short as 12 minutes or up to 24 hours or more, depending on the type of bacteria and the environment, but typically 20 minutes to a few hours. There are more bacteria in the world than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches of the world (and many grains of sand are covered with bacteria). They exist in just about any environment: heat, cold, dry, wet, high pressure, low pressure, small groups, large colonies, isolated, much food, little food, much oxygen, no oxygen, in toxic chemicals, etc. There is much variation in bacteria. There are many mutations (in fact, evolutionists say that smaller organisms have a faster mutation rate than larger ones4). But they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria. Fruit flies are much more complex than already complex single-cell bacteria. Scientists like to study them because a generation (from egg to adult) takes only 9 days. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies. Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.

    This is how the imaginary part is supposed to happen: On rare occasions a mutation in DNA improves a creature's ability to survive, so it is more likely to reproduce (natural selection). That is evolution's only tool for making new creatures. It might even work if it took just one gene to make and control one part. But parts of living creatures are constructed of intricate components with connections that all need to be in place for the thing to work, controlled by many genes that have to act in the proper sequence. Natural selection would not choose parts that did not have all their components existing, in place, connected, and regulated because the parts would not work. Thus all the right mutations (and none of the destructive ones) must happen at the same time by pure chance. That is physically impossible. To illustrate just how impossible it is, imagine this: on the ground are all the materials needed to build a house (nails, boards, shingles, windows, etc.). We tie a hammer to the wagging tail of a dog and let him wander about the work site for as long as you please, even millions of years. The swinging hammer on the dog is as likely to build a house as mutation-natural selection is to make a single new working part in an animal, let alone a new creature.



    Only mutations in the reproductive (germ) cells of an animal or plant would be passed on. Mutations in the eye or skin of an animal would not matter. Mutations in DNA happen fairly often, but most are repaired or destroyed by mechanisms in animals and plants. All known mutations in animal and plant germ cells are neutral, harmful, or fatal. But evolutionists are eternally optimistic. They believe that many beneficial mutations were passed on to every species that ever existed, since that is the only way evolutionists think different species are made.

    There are two versions of evolution. The first (neo-Darwinism) proposed that many tiny changes made new creatures. They could not find these tiny changes between one type of creature and another in the fossil record, so a few evolutionists proposed instead that change occurred by occasional leaps (punctuated equilibrium). Each hypothetical beneficial mutation could only make a slight change. Any more than that would be so disruptive as to cause death. So punctuated equilibrium is not really one leap at a time. It envisions a lot of slight changes over thousands of years, then nothing happens for millions of years. Evolutionists say with a straight face that no fossils have been found from a leap because thousands of years is too fast in the billions of years of "geologic time" to leave any. On the other hand, without fossils there is no evidence that any leaps ever happened, and of course there is no evidence that leaps or gradual changes are happening today in any of the millions of species that still exist.

    Evolution is all about constant change, whether gradual or in leaps. Consider a cloud in the sky: it is constantly changing shape due to natural forces. It might look like, say, a rabbit now, and a few minutes later appear to be, say, a horse. In between, the whole mass is shifting about. In a few more minutes it may look like a bird. The problem for evolution is that we never see the shifting between shapes in the fossil record. All fossils are of complete animals and plants, not works in progress "under construction". That is why we can give each distinct plant or animal a name. If evolution's continuous morphing were really going on, every fossil would show change underway throughout the creature, with parts in various stages of completion. For every successful change there should be many more that lead to nothing. The whole process is random trial and error, without direction. So every plant and animal, living or fossil, should be covered inside and out with useless growths and have parts under construction. It is a grotesque image, and just what the theory of evolution really predicts. Even Charles Darwin had a glimpse of the problem in his day. He wrote in his book The Origin of Species: "The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory." The more fossils that are found, the better sense we have of what lived in the past. Since Darwin's day, the number of fossils that have been collected has grown tremendously, so we now have a pretty accurate picture. The gradual morphing of one type of creature to another that evolution predicts is nowhere to be found. There should have been millions of transitional creatures if evolution were true. In the "tree of life" that evolutionists have dreamed up, gaps in the fossil record are especially huge between single-cell creatures, complex invertebrates (such as snails, jellyfish, trilobites, clams, and sponges), and what evolutionists claim were the first vertebrates, fish. In fact, there are no fossil ancestors at all for complex invertebrates or fish. That alone is fatal to the theory of evolution. The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.


    The platypus has a duck-like bill, swims with webbed feet, and lays eggs. Yet nobody calls it a transitional creature between mammals and ducks.
    [img]http://www.newgeology.us/Platypus.jpg[img]


    Archaeopteryx has long been held up as the great example of a transitional creature, appearing to be part dinosaur and part bird. However, it is a fully formed, complete animal with no half-finished components or useless growths. That is also the case for the other birds in the evolutionary tree. Evolutionists just placed some of the many living and extinct species next to each other to make the bird series.



    The same is true for the famous horse series. Each of the supposed ancestors is a complete animal. They are not full of failed growths and there are no parts under construction. There are many more differences between each type of animal than their size and the number of toes. Every change in structure, function, and process would have had to develop through random trial-and-error if evolution were true, but no transitional forms have been found. The fossils have not caught any changes in the midst of being created, even though they should have occurred over long periods of time. In the late 1800's, evolutionists simply placed living and extinct species next to each other to make the horse series. However, evolutionists no longer believe there was the direct ancestry (orthogenesis) shown in this chart...



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    How can you even remotely say you want the truth when you believe a book that says a man can walk on water and all other sorts of stuff yet provide NO EVIDENCE?

    You aren't searching for any truth.
    If we are not going to be able to use a book we read as a tool to help prove our points then you need to do the same.

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    Are you confusing science with religion? Do you even know HOW science works?

    Do you even know HOW scientists win Nobel prizes and become legends of their time?

    Albert Einstein proved Newton wrong.

    If any man could prove scientists wrong on these major issues, he would become internationally famous, applauded, win a Nobel prize, and be thought of as a genius of his time.

    In any man would prove religion wrong, he would be hanged/beheaded/burned alive/tortured as a heretic.
    Maybe I am trying to find someone who will check out my findings and give me a unbiased answer without bringing up the Bible.

    Whats wrong with saying I am right but you still believe your ancestor was cheeta. I will tell you when I think your right.

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    If your just going by what you read instead of common sense, then there is really no hope trying to educate you.
    Next time an ambulance or fire truck comes rolling by with its siren on, notice how the sound is different when it's coming towards you versus going away. Exact same thing happens with light when something is moving relative to you. There's no hope trying to educate someone who thinks cut and paste is an argument.

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    Evolution proved false using peanut butter


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    Many scientists are with us
    The only tactic left to evolutionists is to ridicule their critics as simpletons who don't understand how their pet theory really works. Here is a link to a roster of hundreds of professionals whose advanced academic degrees certify that they thoroughly understand evolution theory. They also have the courage to defy the high priests of academia by voluntarily adding their names to a skeptics list against Darwinism.

    http://www.discovery.org/scripts/vie...ownload&id=660

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    Many scientists are with us
    The only tactic left to evolutionists is to ridicule their critics as simpletons who don't understand how their pet theory really works. Here is a link to a roster of hundreds of professionals whose advanced academic degrees certify that they thoroughly understand evolution theory. They also have the courage to defy the high priests of academia by voluntarily adding their names to a skeptics list against Darwinism.

    http://www.discovery.org/scripts/vie...ownload&id=660
    Make me an argument where intelligent design is scientific. No cut, no paste. I just want to see how this is scientific. Where is the evidence for creation in 7 days? I have yet to hear an argument for it that didn't boil down to absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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    Evolution proved false using peanut butter

    It's the only way to teach simple minded people, you have to break it down 5th grade style.



    THE LIES OF EVOLUTION

    The "Piltdown Man" was "discovered" among other bones in Piltdown, near Sussex England, in 1912, and immediately proclaimed as the "missing link" between men and animals. Accredited scientists the world over dogmatically declared the bones to be half a million years old and dogmatic proof that man descended from animals. The bones were placed in the prestigious London Museum of Natural History and thousands came to see the unquestioned proof that evolution was a scientific fact. And there was the obvious implication that the Bible was not true, that man was not created in the image of God.

    When humble Bible believers asked for "proof," they were ridiculed as ignorant and uneducated. A common statement by "educated" people for years has been, "I do not know of any educated person who rejects evolution and believes the Bible literally!" Lowly Bible believers were told that scientists were always right; that they believed only scientific "facts," and that scientists were truly objective and without prejudice! The faith of many Bible believers was shaken, including mul udes of students. Some became atheists or agnostics. Many so-called Christian scholars tried to "harmonize" the Bible and evolution. They reinterpreted creation references as parables or metaphorical descriptions of God's work in "language that man could understand." And these explanations always favored unbelieving scientists at the Bible's expense.

    (Many Baptist colleges lost their testimony by following these unbelieving "scholars" and teaching evolution. They also rejected the King James Bible for the same "intellectual" reason.) All sorts of "scientific" explanations were offered to show that God used evolution as His method of creation, and that the Bible could not be taken literally. Such Christian "scholars" rejected faith, in their lust for the world's approval as "intellectuals"! But they can never be compared with Abraham (for example) who "staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strong in faith.

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    THE ATHEISTS NIGHTMARE


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    Make me an argument where intelligent design is scientific.


    No cut, no paste.
    I wish you would have said this 10 pages ago.


    I just want to see how this is scientific. Where is the evidence for creation in 7 days?
    I wasn't there so I won't say for sure, just like you wasn't around 250 million years ago to see a baboon turn into a man.



    I have yet to hear an argument for it that didn't boil down to absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
    "Intelligent Designer" or "Sudden Appearence" argument. The complex molecules of life, including DNA, are, they say, "too complicated" and "too improbable" to have arisen on their own through random chance, and therefore they must have been deliberately strung together by an "intelligent designer" the odds of an intact strand of DNA forming all at once from chance are the same as the odds of a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and assembling a functional Boeing 747.

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    About time you posted some real evidence!

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    the odds of an intact strand of DNA forming all at once from chance are the same as the odds of a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and assembling a functional Boeing 747.
    You show a disgusting lack of understanding about evolution.

    You really need to stop posting and go read up about evolution. What you described is a common misconception among laymen.

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    About time you posted some real evidence!
    Yup.

    That video and your reaction to it sums it all up pretty well.




    It's the only way to teach simple minded people, you have to break it down 5th grade style.
    I find that quote to be extra special considering the cir stances.

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    I wish you would have said this 10 pages ago.




    I wasn't there so I won't say for sure, just like you wasn't around 250 million years ago to see a baboon turn into a man.





    "Intelligent Designer" or "Sudden Appearence" argument. The complex molecules of life, including DNA, are, they say, "too complicated" and "too improbable" to have arisen on their own through random chance, and therefore they must have been deliberately strung together by an "intelligent designer" the odds of an intact strand of DNA forming all at once from chance are the same as the odds of a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and assembling a functional Boeing 747.
    And the odds of an even more complex god being built from nothing all at once are worse than the odds of that tornado coming in and building DFW with a fleet of 747s. I still cannot believe that you're holding onto this idea that natural selection is completely random. Your argument is a strawman to the nth degree. You completely misrepresent evolution. When one argues from a false premise, he can correctly come to an arbitrary conclusion with a valid argument. Kind of like all flying pigs are green, because assume you have a flying pig. Then it must be green is vacuously true, since there is no flying pig that isn't green.

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    And the odds of an even more complex god being built from nothing all at once are worse than the odds of that tornado coming in and building DFW with a fleet of 747s. I still cannot believe that you're holding onto this idea that natural selection is completely random. Your argument is a strawman to the nth degree. You completely misrepresent evolution. When one argues from a false premise, he can correctly come to an arbitrary conclusion with a valid argument.
    Do you want to tell mouse the truth behind the banana video yet? mouse took it as evidence lol

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    You show a disgusting lack of understanding about evolution.

    You really need to stop posting and go read up about evolution. What you described is a common misconception among laymen.
    Why don't you and your banana eating friends start posting some facts that prove man came from the ape? Why do I and many others have to be the only ones to post evidence?

    I can just look around and see we was put here by an intelligent being. I have the sun,water,food,and air. And man has enough intelligence to send a man to mars, clone a sheep, and invent high tech electronic gadgets like black berries ,laptops, and nuclear missiles. what monkey you know can do any of that?
    All you and your Darin worshiping simple minded clones have is some old petrified bones that belong to an old man who happened to have a large skull.

    So we must have been a fish at one time that sounds so much more convincing!

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    Do you want to tell mouse the truth behind the banana video yet? mouse took it as evidence lol
    What... that the guy on the right looks like he's about to go down and fellate the old one after seeing him jerk the fruit off?

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    Why don't you and your banana eating friends start posting some facts that prove man came from the ape?
    Because there are 918391287382900371 sources for your question. It is well established. You are using the internet aren't you?

    Start reading.

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    Because there are 918391287382900371 sources for your question. It is well established. You are using the internet aren't you?

    Start reading.
    That's not a good way to argue, but then again, mouse completely ignored Summers posting evidence of transitional species a few pages back, so I can understand it.

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    And the odds of an even more complex god being built from nothing all at once are worse than the odds of that tornado coming in and building DFW with a fleet of 747s. I still cannot believe that you're holding onto this idea that natural selection is completely random. Your argument is a strawman to the nth degree. You completely misrepresent evolution. When one argues from a false premise, he can correctly come to an arbitrary conclusion with a valid argument. Kind of like all flying pigs are green, because assume you have a flying pig. Then it must be green is vacuously true, since there is no flying pig that isn't green.
    I am just posting data that contradicts your findings. I never said I 100% agree with it. I don't think all those stories of Johna and the wale and Noah are 100% correct I am not the Bible thumper you try to label me as.

    I just feel your theory does not add up since no one can seem to find any proof the earth is 100.000 years old and yet you want us to believe it's 25 Billion years old? Come on brah don't be so gullible.

    You can still not believe in Gad and agree with some of my findings. But you won't because your bias. I on the others hand look at the big picture with an open mind.

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    I don't think all those stories of Johna and the wale and Noah are 100% correct I am not the Bible thumper you try to label me as.
    Sorry, you can't do that.

    The bible itself takes itself as "The Word of God" and cannot be questioned.

    You can't pick and choose which part is the word of god and which is not.

    You either have to

    1) Believe the whole thing as 100% accurate

    2) Say you don't know

    3) Don't believe

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    That's not a good way to argue, but then again, mouse completely ignored Summers posting evidence of transitional species a few pages back, so I can understand it.
    It's the only logical way to argue in this situation.

    mouse is showing a large lack of understanding about the theory of evolution.

    It is EACH PERSON'S responsibility to be educated on the subject if you want to argue about it.

    If mouse isn't educated on the subject, mouse can do 2 things :

    1) Don't talk about things you don't know

    2) Go educate yourself

    It's not my responsibility to waste my time teaching mouse about evolution when it has been extensively recorded and even taught in school, apparently mouse wasn't paying attention.

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    Because there are 918391287382900371 sources for your question. It is well established. You are using the internet aren't you?

    Start reading.
    How many different sites have 9/11 as an inside job? or have pills to make your penis larger?
    There are also millions of websites that have psychic's that doesn't mean they are real.


    How many websites you find that show your not gay?
    And if I only find two or three then that means you are gay?
    Get away from how many fools believe in Evolution and have a website.
    It doesn't make your point anymore legit. If that was true I can show you many websites that have unicorns and Mermaids does that mean they are real?
    try and study the evidence i have posted. And begin to prove to me your related to Gorilla. I will wait for some hard facts before I keep posting mine.

    http://www.allaboutscience.org/intelligent-design.htm

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    There are also millions of websites that have ..... that doesn't mean they are real.
    Nobody can be this stupid.

    mouse, you don't understand the theory of evolution. You are misrepresenting the theory in your arguments. It doesn't matter if you believe it's real or not

    Mouse is trolling, nobody is this stupid

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