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they just showed israel missiles hittin down a mosque in palestine.....
they said it was housing terrorists, are their evidence to back that up? or they are just bombing everything......
they are blocking aid coming into gaza.....
Who the is being anti-semitic?? stop making an ass of yourself Cobra
they just showed israel missiles hittin down a mosque in palestine.....
they said it was housing terrorists, are their evidence to back that up? or they are just bombing everything......
they are blocking aid coming into gaza.....
This conflict won't end until there is complete separation between these two peoples. Either Israel is moved somewhere else, or Palestine is moved somewhere else. Until then, the conflict will be alive, sometiems with more intensity, sometimes with less.
This is not a resolvable conflict. The existence of Israel can never be acceptable to a Palestinian Muslim, and obviously the Israelis are not going to submit to obliteration. Since we can't turn the clock back to 1948 and decide not to par ion Palestine, the best available option is for Israel to persist within its current borders. Israel cannot be permitted to seize additional territory to fulfill the religious zeal of extremist "Greater-Israel" Zionists; neither can its dismantling and the concomitant slaughter of hundreds of thousands to millions of its citizens be countenanced. It will continue to be attacked by Arab Muslims from Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon, and will continue to respond to eliminate those threats. The best we can hope for is to mitigate the loss of human life, and frankly that can only be done by applying pressure to Israel, because the Palestinian leadership does not care.
GS is to Israel what MoveOn.org is to the U.S. Israel removing their military occupation from the West Bank would solve nothing. If I were Israel I wouldn’t do anything to appease or placate the terrorist agenda, anymore than I would support actions of that nature by our own Country.
There are pockets of anti-Nationalism in every Country, and although they have a right to their opinions, they are light years away from having a consensus, their agenda, if it were successful, would serve only to weaken their Country. Unconscionable as it may seem, they somehow see the realization of their dreams, and the ultimate effect of weakening their homeland, as desirable.
In today’s World, pacifism doesn’t serve to mollify, it merely allows the aggressor that we are attempting to appease additional leverage in their goals to subordinate, conquer and/or eliminate their targets. It’s truly naïve’ to believe that appeasing an enemy would serve to further peace with them.
No need to apologize, I really didn't mind at all, besides, I reciprocated in kind, we'll just consider it our introduction to each other.I thought your comment was careless, but I'll admit to being guilty of imprecision myself. Putting the word "coverup" in your mouth was a slight mischaracterization, and accusing you of hallucinating was unkind. I apologize for the unfriendly tone.
I've read more than a few of your posts here, and IMO you bring a lot to the table. The education I get from many posters in this forum on current events is appreciated.
.I still disagree with you that the MSM (in the US, at least) minimizes or hides Hamas attacks. They are mentioned whenever Israeli/Palestinian tensions are reported on. Almost without exception. So I'll stand by my point that your characterization that the MSM doesn't cover the crimes of Hamas is not only erroneous, but obtuse
I see you tempered your characterization of my post from "egregious" to "obtuse", thanks...
If I were living in Israel, and there was the constant threat of rockets being launched into my Country, regardless of their overall effectiveness, accurate or not, each missle carries with it the potential to destroy innocent citizens, a result that brings delight to Hamas. I'd wouldn't want that aggression to be muted in any way, and it should not be.
Why hasn't the U.N. sent Peace Keeping forces to stop these attacks? They barely raise an eyebrow until Israel decided that enough is enough, and takes matters into their own hands, and then the action they do take is to condemn Israel.
They are, as I stated earlier, a tool for terrorism, and a facilitator of anti-semitism.
They got a biggie today (sorry 'bout the family)
"Nizar Rayyan, a cleric who served as a liaison between Hamas's political and military wings, had called for renewed suicide bombings inside Israel and refused to go into hiding, as other prominent Hamas members had done. His death, confirmed in a statement issued by Hamas, marked the first known killing of a senior leader of the militant group since Israel began air strikes on Saturday. Two of Rayyan's four wives and four of his 12 children were also killed after Israeli forces bombed their apartment building, Palestinian health officials said."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101141_pf.html
I am no expert but I was wondering if it was possible to gas the palestine civilians like saddam did. I assume most of hammas has a gas masks but most of the general population wouldn't. Are the jews afraid this will cause a bigger attack on them? Seems it worked for saddam and still keeps infrastructure in place to rebuild without bombing.
giving blankets would be more subtle.
Anti-Israel demonstration in New York City :
I disagree entirely...I say let Israel seize away, they are out numbered by Muslims and Arabs by like a 300-1 ratio...if the other countries can't stop them, they deserve the asskicking they get.
They'll either get their together or get eradicated. If they can get their act together enough to fight Israel...they'll stop being backwards holes in the process.
Let the atrocities ensue...
The fact you think there is a difference proves you are the stupid one. Idiot.
Whatever, you 3rd world wannabe intellectual with a turd for brains...take your smug at ude and stick it up your stupid ing ass.You seriously get more ing re ed with every passing year, don't you?? Just shut the up already. You've been owned by so many people in this forum for the past year, I'm starting to think you enjoy being the forum's resident .
Personally I'm sick of the whole ing thing...but I disagree, we do need Israel as an ally in that region still. Plus I still have hopes they can get the other countries to stop being holes.
Remember, whottt, that wherever the hole happens to be, people happen to live there.
To be completely clear, if you stand for the elimination of holes, you tacitly include the people.
Riposte?
Check the immigration rates...people can't get out of that region of the world fast enough.
IMHO, any country that has substantially more people trying to get out of it then trying to get in it...is a hole, that's the reason people are trying to get out of it...because most people don't like living in holes. Even in if they were born there.
I have different at ude about things though that most people...I don't think those countries are holes because of the people that live there in general...they are holes because of Europe ing around over there during a technological gap between the European and Mid-Eastern cultues, and turning them into inhumane holes.
Europe did the same thing in Asia, Africa and South America as well...
My approach to fixing it...never take Europe's advice on anything, tell them to shut the up, get rid of the dictators, and let the people rebuild their countries.
Speaking of holes...I have to reclassify Argentina. I just checked out the immigration rates and for the first time since I have been on the internet Argentina no longer has a negative migration rate.
I guess I'll have to stop calling Argentina a hole since it's migration rate is zero.
Congrats Manumaniac...you no longer live in a hole. You status is now neutral.
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Or until one side is completely eliminated.
I do not see that happening anytime soon. So I say, let's put one people in one part of the Earth and the other people in a place as far a away from the first dudes as we possibly can.
Shastaaaaaaaaaaa! Weclome Back! LTNS!
Check it out Shasta!!!!
Did you know that one of the alternate sites for the Jewish homeland was in the country now known as Argentina? It was called the Andina plan.
Too bad you guys didn't let more Jews in...at least they know how to pay their bills...and they are usually the ones making the loans...as opposed to defaulting on them.
Speaking of holes...I have to reclassify Argentina. I just checked out the immigration rates and for the first time since I have been on the internet Argentina no longer has a negative migration rate.
I guess I'll have to stop calling Argentina a hole since it's migration rate is zero.
Congrats Manumaniac...you no longer live in a hole. You status is now neutral.
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nobody gives a how or what you classify whottt, you're inconsequential.
The fact you go around spouting your opinion as if anybody here really gave a is proof enough of your detachment from reality. How's that for an ungracious classless response you ignorant sack of ?
P.S. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I might be third world, you're ing third rate
and when the am I gonna make it on to your ignore list?? please let us know
I'm not sure what's funnier. The fact that they shut down their site for over a week or that when they opened it back up again no one came back. Wait, I do know which one is funnier!
nobody gives a how or what you classify whottt, you're inconsequential.
The fact you go around spouting your opinion as if anybody here really gave a is proof enough of your detachment from reality. How's that for an ungracious classless response you ignorant sack of ?
P.S. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I might be third world, you're ing third rate
You're third world even though Argentina really isn't right now...nicely done stick.
and when the am I gonna make it on to your ignore list?? please let us know
You know that's actually a pretty interesting thought. I don't think I've ever even considered putting you on ignore. True, you are uninteresting, unoriginal and transparent, which is usually the fast track to my ignore list, but for some reason that idea hasn't ever crossed my mind. I'll have to analyze why you aren't on ignore further, as you actually do have a point that you should be on my ignore list.
Hmmm even more interesting now that I think about it...for some reason I don't have that many international posters on my ignore list. Maybe one or two...
I've tried to be sympathetic to the Palestinians, but they got their country and still feel the need to lob rockets into Israel. There's no way Israel can be realistically expected to turn the other cheek to Hamas, the same way we couldn't let the Taliban survive after 9/11. You can't cry when you throw a rock at the big kid on the block and he comes over and beats the out of you in response.
Who gives a about a "proportional response" - it's not about that it's about a simple question: Is it ok to kill a palestinian child because some other palestinian killed an israeli?
Let's hear it whottt - is it ok?
Normally I'd say pretty much no...although even that is up to debate as it's ultimately the responsibility of the parents to protect their children, not the Israeli army...
However in this case, knowing full well that the Palestinians indoctrinate their children to be suicide bombers, and Palestinian children have in fact have murdered Israelis in suicide bombings....
Not to mention the fact that Palestinian suicide bombers and rocket launchers deliberately target Israeli civillian areas...in fact that's all they do target....
Yes, it's ok to kill them, as the Palestinians themselves have made them enemy combatants, and the Palestinians use similar tactics.
I do not think it's the responsibility of the enemy army to protect Palestinian civillians, I think it's the reponsibility of the Palestinians to do so. This goes for any war.
If they cannot do so...then perhaps the Palestinians should stop listening to them. And perhaps they should stop attacking the Israelis.
Yes generally the enemy should do everything in it's power to avoid civillian deaths...but that rule is the first one to fly out the window when the combatants use guerilla or terrorist tactics.
In fact the use of large scale terrorist tactics in particular, makes nuclear retalliation an option IMHO.
Maybe the Palestinians should fire their rockets from unihabited regions...and target Israeli military targets instead of urban areas, homes and busses, and maybe they shouldn't teach their children to be suicide bombers...if they don't want them to die. Maybe they should stop using terrorist tactics...in fact maybe they should stop using war tactics.
Maybe they should attempt to rally world opinion to their side and gain the sympathy of popular opinion.
IMHO, the A-#1 way to achieve that is to stop using terrorist methods, as those methods are pretty much despised by everyone in the civilized world, and maybe they should plea for sympathy and in the name of human decency.
Worked for Ghandi.
And Neslon Mandela.
And Martin Luther King Jr.
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