He just scored 18 pts in a win VS Magic
18 pts 7/15 fg 2/5 3pt 5rbds 3assts 1stl
Another good game against a top team in the NBA.
If we will be getting this kind of production from another big besides Tim, a lot of the guys here that are bashing Bargnani will be bragging of how good the Spurs are.
You guys are crazy if you think the Spurs would not trade for Bargs in a second if all it took was Bonner and Vaughn.
LOL, Timvp knows I would myself if the Spurs got Bargs. I have long said he would be a great compliment for Duncan (especially if he improves his rebounding bc his shot blocking has improved this year).
I agree. They have similar skill sets but Bargnani is more athletic, taller, and has more upside.
I think you're too obsessed with disliking Bargnani that you refuse to think logically.
if you think Bonner is better than Bargnani you must be sick in the head.
Bargnani is no star, but getting him would be a nice addition- especially if Bonner was traded for him.
Bargnani is 5 years younger than Bonner, and a legit shot blocker. Bonner's having his best three point shooting year ever, but careerwise he shoots 40% from 3 and Bargnani shoots 36%. Not that big a difference. Bargnani also gets to the free throw line-- something Bonner almost never does.
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.366 3G% this year and .360 career means he "sucks at shooting"?
I think he's a bust as a #1 pick, but he's probably performing with most of his draft class. To call him an NBA bust is definitely premature and unwarranted.
Not to mention he is shooting like 86% from the ft line. way to early to call him a bust. A bad number 1 pick, no doubt, but not a bust.......yet.
Why not mention all of the relevant stats, and not just the ones that favor your pick? Bargnani is a much better shot-blocker, & he gets to the free throw line much more than Bonner (Bargnani is 62-72 from the FT line this year... Bonner is 6-7-- yes, Bonner has gotten to the FT line seven times this entire season). Bonner's rebounds per minute are higher than Bargnani (9.9 compared to 7.9), but Bonner has also played center most of this year while Bargnani has often been used at the SF position, so he should have higher numbers. I'd say that as far as rebounding goes, neither is outstanding and they're probably about the same.
Oh pardon me.
Well, when you look at the said player in a purely rational point of view lets do.
Bargnani, stinks.
Bonner, while not an all star, is more serviceable and rebounds better, AND, shoots the ball better than Bargnani.
So maturely I say, Bargnani STINKS, Bonner, does NOT stink.
Thats why this is a gigantic bowl of pathetic fail.
are you spurs fans for real? Bargnani >>>>>>>>>>>>Bonner
Timvp will have a heart attack if Andrea becomes a Spur
But hey, Timmy+Bosh+Barganana would be great
One can dream....
Because when he was played at the center position he failed miserably.while Bargnani has often been used at the SF position, so he should have higher numbers
Theres alread been an excruciating amount of threads in the basketball forum detailing the failures of Bargnani.
No joke. Lots of teams have more to offer -- and would, if he were available. Who cares if he's not a great #1 pick? Bags is a nice player and I'd love to have him.
Bustgnani is better than Bonner, but why would Toronto want Bonner? They already had him and got rid of him. Any trade would probably be multi team and involve Manu. I wouldn't do it.
Bonner and Bargnani are simmilar style players, we have a pretty good idea what both can and cannot do. I do not dislike Bargnani, but if you are comparing the 2 I'd keep Bonner. You really aren't gaining or losing anything if you swapped the 2 players.
They would, Toronto wont. Nice fantasy, lets move on.
T Park is one of those people who think if it's been said on Spurstalk by someone with lots of posts then it must be true. You might want to check the number of threads detailing the shortcomings of Bonner while you're at it...
I follow the Raptors and I used to live in Ontario, they're my 3rd favorite team next to the Spurs and Nets..
Bargnani isn't as bad as a lot of you think he is..
he is NOT a pure shooter..that's what he was supposed to be, but he isn't..he's not a guy that is a near-guarantee to make shots when he's open..he's a streaky shooter..
the advantage he has over other bigs is his ability to drive..when Bargs is on, he drives to the basket really well..his problems with consistency are due to a few factors..he has confidence issues, where his offense becomes too robotic..he knows what he's going to do before he gets the ball, which makes him predictable at times..the other problem with his offense is that the Raptors keep switching him from the 3 to 5 positions..
he's a SOLID low post defender..he's improved a lot in that regard, especially with his help D..he still needs to get better on the boards, but he's improved from years past..the difference with him this year is that he can provide in other parts when his offense is off..
his problem continues to be consistency, and we'll see how that holds up..he's still young though..
we CAN'T get him though..we don't have the pieces to get him..
btw, he's definitely better than Bonner..
Huh? No he's not. That's his major problem. Check his game log:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrea...ame_stats.html
He is the an hesis of consistent.
That being said, I'm fascinated about what he might be able to do here.
Andrea has pulled his semi-annual "I suck off the bench but play hard when I start so you better start me."In the couple games that he got to start recently, he played well (26/6 and 19/6). In today's game, he has 13 at the half. So maybe he just needs to start
Its NY Daily News, but still...
They've already changed coaches - when they were 8-9 - so now the Raptors, eight games under .500 as of Friday, might have to start making deals as they continue to underachieve and sink in the East. One rival Eastern Conference GM said that Andrea Bargnani, the No. 1 overall pick in 2006, and Anthony Parker are prime candidates to be moved, as they look to add athleticism on the wings. In the meantime, Jermaine O'Neal has been sidelined with yet another knee injury.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/co...nce/index.html
Well that takes us out of the running.as they look to add athleticism on the wings.
The list of players averaging over a block and a three is:
Lebron James: 1.2 3s, 1.2 Blks
Danny Granger: 2.5 3s, 1.4 Blks
Rasheed Wallace: 1.9 3s, 1.6 Blks
Andrea Bargnani: 1.1 3s, 1.4 Blks
On the cusp: Kevin Durant (1.3 3s, .9 Blks), Dirk Nowitzki (1.0 3s, .8 Blks), Wilson Chandler (1.1 3s, .8 Blks), Jamario Moon (.6 3s, .8 Blks), Mehmet Okur (1.0 3s, .7 Blks), Rudy Gay (1.3 3s, .7 Blks), Francisco Garcia (.9 3s, .9 Blks)
He may be a bust at number 1, but he definitely has a unique skill-set and seems to be improving. Spurs could do a lot worse.
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