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thank you. well said
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How do you figure exactly? If people are gonna make assonine statements like this then back them up.
^ at least SD explains his ridiculous comments. which dont make sense but he tries
Ya, it's weird how everyone here has won as many playoff games w/o Kobe as Gasol has. I'd love to see the 2005-2006 or 2006-2007 Lakers make the playoffs with Gasol as oppose to Kobe. No disrespect to Gasol or anything. I'll bet even Gasol would laugh if he heard he was more important to the Laker's success than Kobe.
Without Gasol, the Lakers would not be a top 4 seed in the West. They would be a 5-8 seed.
Simply put, Gasol changed that whole team. His offensive efficiency has made Bryant look better. Why do we always hear that the Lakers are better if Bryant takes less than 20 shots? o - so he doesn't jump-shoot them out of games.
Laker fans just don't want to admit that Bryant is overrated.
He never figured out how to play with a huge talent like Lamar, actually missing the playoffs in 2005. Wow, that's impressive.
This is just my guess but I think SD is a really good actor and gets a weird sense of satisfaction out of seeing people he's never met respond to his posts. Then again, it's not very hard to sound serious through a computer.
And without Kobe they wouldn't even be a playoff team
That is such a useless statistic. The Lakers are better when Kobe takes less shots because it means they are winning and don't need Kobe to start forcing the issue in order to spark a run. If Kobe taking less shots had a direct relationship with the Lakers winning, why exactly does Phil Jackson give him the green light so much.Why do we always hear that the Lakers are better if Bryant takes less than 20 shots?
He is averaging 20.2 shots a game and the Lakers have the best record in basketball, is that just a coincidence?
Kobe being overrated doesn't mean Gasol is more important to the Lakers. The two are unrelated.Laker fans just don't want to admit that Bryant is overrated.
He had Chucky Atkins at PG and Chris Mihm at C. He also had a midseason coaching change to deal with in addition to the fact the HOF coach he playedHe never figured out how to play with a huge talent like Lamar, actually missing the playoffs in 2005.
for his entire career retired.
Does the 2005 support the argument Kobe might be overrated? Yes. Does the 2005 season support the (stupid) argument Gasol is the Laker's MVP and most important player? no.
This argument would have made sense about 2 weeks ago. But have you seen kobe's last 10 or so games? he has picked his up, playing at lebron/wade level. Don't have his stats, but he is shooting something like 50%+ fomr the field for an average of 26-27.
For what it's worth....Laker TV Announcers have stated repeatedly that Gasol is the most consistent Laker this season. That doesn't mean better, more valuable, or anything else other than what it says.
is Gasol clearly 2nd best player in Lakers? yes
is Gasol a top 15 NBA big man? yes
is Kobe overrated? yes
but even then, is this thread re ed? yes
let's not forget, the Lakers are stacked, most of their players have unbeleivable talent, don't forget any given night as long as 2 or 3 of the rest of their role players are hot, they could beat any team. that fact, plus Kobe + Gasol, makes them contenders
Do you have the picture of Gasol dunking on Oden?
He's basically shooting 48% from the field and averaging 27 PPG (season averages). Incredible numbers, especially from a perimeter player who is no longer has the athleticism to get into the paint as easily as he used to.
Kobe is currently 5th on Hollinger's player efficiency rating, Gasol is 17th.
True, and it's a lot easier to be consistent as the 2nd option rather than the 1st option, especially if the 2nd option is a PF and the 1st option is a SG.
Last season, in 39 games with Memphis, Gasol averaged 14 shots a game and shot 50.1% from the field. In 27 games with LA, he averaged 13.1 shots a game (little to no difference) but shot 58.9% from the field. This year, he's averaging a career high 56.2% from the field and only taking 1.7 less shots than his career average, so his increase in FG% clearly is not due to taking significantly less shots.
Last season, Kobe shot 45.7% from the field pre all star break and 46.2% from the field post all star break, so his FG% remained basically the same (0.5% is negligible) after the Gasol trade.
Can someone who says Gasol makes Kobe better and Kobe does nothing to help Gasol please explain how you can back that up?
D. Fisher has been the best Laker so far this season.
You're all idiots. Seriously.
DuncanOwnsKobe is the only non-Laker fan with any sense in this thread.
That actually brings up a good point. If people who want to make the claim Kobe is overrated and support it by saying he needs __________ to open up the floor for him, their argument should not be that he needs a big man in order to shoot well, it's that he needs Derek Fisher or a veteran point that doesn't need to ball to operate and can set the triangle up.
His 5 worst shooting seasons (97, 98, 04, 05, 06) were all when he had a guard other than Derek Fisher or Ron Harper getting the big minutes at PG. The two seasons where LA had both Harper and Fisher were two of his best shooting seasons. When they had Fisher and Derek Harper, another ideal Phil Jackson PG, Kobe had his best shooting season going into this year.
So basically, if one wants to make a rash statement about Kobe needing assistance in one way or another in order to shoot well, it's clear his play is more dependent off who is at PG rather than who is at PF/C.
But needing an intelligent PG who will do what Phil Jackson says in order to succeed is not something to fault Kobe for, even MJ needed smart play from the PG position to win a le, it's not like he ever won anything with Smush Parker or Chucky Atkins playing point.
Kobe has already proved in the '05 and '06 seasons that he could score at will all by his lonesome. He's 30 years old right now, his body can't do the things he used to be able to do.
You don't average 35 ppg and score 81 pts in a game if your some ing scrub. Kobe is not overrated. He has consistently been the best perimeter player in the league for about the last decade. Give him some ing props for christ sakes.
right now the lakers have too many weapons
and a veteran leader in Fisher
maybe their problem is man to man defense against athletic forwards who can attack and finish (with intensity like the jazz guys the other night)
Lot of people on this board seem to think the superstar has to go 82-0, hit every big shot, and basically be perfect every single night, or he isn't a superstar.
nope
You mean to tell me this is not a joke?
Ridiculous!
Thread starter is ing stupid.
so kobe is the 2nd if not the best player in the world but gasol is more valuable?
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