time to cut tolliver and sign sims ?

[venitian navigator]

the moiment for D league players has come.....Davidson has already signed for G.S.
I'm not seeiyng improvements on Toliver...I like him but since Pop is not convinced to give him time, he's not gonna find the necessary confidence to put his shot in consistently.
On the other end has become obvious that, lacking mr. Mahinmi, we lack someone young that can rebound and block shots (and, in case, put also some points from near the basket) : by now, Courtney Sims in second in NBDL in scoring, first in rebounding and also blocks more than 2 shots per game.
I definitly think he's worth a try and that Spurs better hurry before someone else calls him...a guaranteed contract for the some money and some years extension of Tolliver wouldn't be a bad idea!

[saxman]

On occasion, Toliver seems to get lost when playing defense. Offensively, his only drawback is his streaky shooting. But, I wouldn't give up on him just yet. She shows constant activity on the court (when he is on the court). His basketball IQ is pretty good for a rookie. To be honest, I see him as a better replacement for Horry. They have (or had...whatever) similar games.

Just my two cents...

[ChumpDumper]

I would rather make Vaughn a coach.

[MarCowMar]

I'm not ready to give up on Tolliver either. Almost every player who comes here has trouble finding their shot. I don't know if it's lack of minutes or pressure to hit shots on such a good team, but it's not unusual for players to struggle.

Tolly's defense is pretty good, and so is his passing. He plays with a lot of energy. He doesn't look completely lost out there like most new Spurs. And even though he's a rookie, with that bald head he looks really old so he fits right in here.

Maybe we can just move him in a couple feet and have him shoot long twos instead of threes? He's tall so losing a few feet of breathing room shouldn't prevent him from getting his shot off.

[xtremesteven33]

If Spurs dont sign or trade for a Big by Febuary i expect an Horry call up....

[tp2021]

I'm generally suspcious of bigs who put up good/great D-League numbers, but whose rights aren't held by any team. Big men who can really play at the NBA level aren't often overlooked by NBA teams, which are almost always hungry for bigs who can really play at the NBA level. The hint of that ability is often enough for a team to lock up even marginal prospects in the hope that they'll pan out. The fact that no team holds the rights to a big man generally signals -- to me at least -- a widespread doubt that he can really play. It's not remarkable to me that a big player might have a game that allows him to dominate at the D-League level but that doesn't translate very well to the big leagues.

I'm not saying that Courtney Sims can't or won't make it at the NBA level, but I think its curious that no team has been willing to even retain his rights (despite the fact that both the Pacers and Hornets have had him around for long-ish looks). I'd be skeptical about pinning much in the way of hopes on such a player.

[benefactor]

I would rather make Vaughn a coach.

[Austin_Toros]

we lack someone young that can rebound and block shots (and, in case, put also some points from near the basket) : by now, Courtney Sims in second in NBDL in scoring, first in rebounding and also blocks more than 2 shots per game.
I definitly think he's worth a try and that Spurs better hurry before someone else calls him

Someone will probably sign Sims soon- especially since Jermareo Davidson has just been signed. Tolliver hasn't impressed me and I think Sims could help the spurs out if he can rebound the ball.

But apart from another big, i think the spurs could also use a SF.

[tav1]

The Spurs rebounding, interior scoring and interior d could all use a little shoring up. I think the Spurs are gonna have to make room for another big, especially with Mahinmi uncertain. My 2 cents.

Sims? Sure, I'd like them to try that. Worst case, he goes back to Iowa in 11 days. Although, as usual, I agree with CD. I'd rather the Spurs make Vaughn a coach just like Boston plans to do with Cassall

[024]

do it. got nothing to lose since tolliver doesn't seem to want to score in the nba. spurs already have two low scoring bigs in thomas and oberto, they don't need another.

[eisfeld]

Actually I would like to have him in San Antonio. The worst thing as someone said before: He goes back in 11 days. He's big and not that soft. Make Vaugn a coach and call the guy up.

I also think it's to early to give up on Tolliver. The guy can shoot but is inconsistent. He needs one more year in NBDL and he'll be fine.

[SenorSpur]

THe reason the interior situation is deficient is because Ian has not made his season debut. If so, then Tolliver's spot would make sense. Since Ian is not here, Sims could be an option until or if Ian ever makes it back. Having a 2nd big who spreads the floor seems to be a luxury at this point. Wouldn't hurt to look at him for 10 days or so.

[Brazil]

I would rather make Vaughn a coach.

+1000000

I really thing he is totally useless as a player, Hill is the Tony back up, when we need, Mase and Manu can play PG, we have 2 "true" PG even if blabla tony blabla scoring blabla and 2 decent back ups to do the job during few minutes.

[FlAVaK]

If Spurs dont sign or trade for a Big by Febuary i expect an Horry call up....

Comparing Horry last season with Tolliver this season:

mpg 13-11,5
fg% 32-29
3p% 26-22
Reb 2,4-2,5
Ast 1,0-0,9
ppg 2,5-2,9

I don`t see a significant difference in their production!
They also have the same weight and height.
But Tolliver is 15 years younger.
Fifteen in years!

Don´t forget, Tolliver is a Rookie. He showed his potential in the Summer League and in Austin, on NBA-level he`s just a little scared shootin the ball, but gives you a lot of everything else: Rebounding, Passing, Hustling...

One year ago he played in the German League and played the playoffs with his club, which is now in the last place of the BBL.
I think, he just needs some more time to adjust to the NBA.
I´m all for keepin him on the Spurs.

But if he´s cut, please not for Robert Horry, who wouldn`t be an upgrade over Tolliver...

[ashbeeigh]

We're stuck with Tolliver. He's in one of those Pizza Hut commercials. Sorry y'all.

[ChumpDumper]

+1000000

I really thing he is totally useless as a player, Hill is the Tony back up, when we need, Mase and Manu can play PG, we have 2 "true" PG even if blabla tony blabla scoring blabla and 2 decent back ups to do the job during few minutes.

I don't think he's totally useless as a player -- we just have so many options at the point now.

Signing him as a coach keeps him around in case some disaster happens later on in the season.

[MarHill]

I would rather make Vaughn a coach.

Not going to happen.....Pop likes having a 3rd point guard for insurance. Look at what happen last year when TP went down.....the Spurs had to sign Damon Stoudamire.

Because of that. Vaughn won't be a coach or assistant this year.

[MarHill]

I like Tolliver's energy and hustle...but he has to make shots when he's in the game. I feel he's trying to force himself into making 3 pts. He should be working on the midrange game instead.

If he doesn't make shots he could be sent back down to Austin.

[Johnny RIngo]

I really don't see the point of having a perimeter big man that CAN'T shoot. Tolliver's FG% is .292 for the season(3P% is .220). Time to dump him and look for someone that might be able to contribute to this team.

[T Park]

I really don't see the point of having a perimeter big man that CAN'T shoot. Tolliver's FG% is .292 for the season(3P% is .220). Time to dump him and look for someone that might be able to contribute to this team.

Yes, give up on the 23 year old.

[ChumpDumper]

Not going to happen.....Pop likes having a 3rd point guard for insurance. Look at what happen last year when TP went down.....the Spurs had to sign Damon Stoudamire.

Because of that. Vaughn won't be a coach or assistant this year.

I'm saying what I would like to happen.

[ChumpDumper]

I like Tolliver's energy and hustle...but he has to make shots when he's in the game. I feel he's trying to force himself into making 3 pts. He should be working on the midrange game instead.

If he doesn't make shots he could be sent back down to Austin.

He would still be there had Oberto not been injured.

[T Park]

I may be wrong and foolish, and I'm gonna defer to Chump on this, I think Tolliver has great potential for this league, I love his athletic ability, his defensive tenacity, his rebounding and nose for the ball as well as his passing ability. I think his defense is what really makes him attractive in that hes very versatile and able to guard both a 4 and a 3. He proved that IMO the other night vs Memphis in guarding Gay and stepped out and guarded Gasol once or twice.


I agree the shooting has to improve, but I would really hope its not "has to make 3's" for him to stick.

[ChumpDumper]

Well I won't shed a tear if Tolliver is waived, I just see him as a longer term project than most want him to be. Of course the Spurs are trying to make another Horry out of him -- that's why it's going to take awhile.

[Tully365]

I really like Tolliver's energy and heart, but it seems to me that the Spurs' greatest weakness is the fact that they are undersized generally and short at least one big body defensively in the paint. Also, they don't get to the FT line much, and they have trouble out-rebounding teams. As much as I like him, Tolliver doesn't address most of these issues, and I just don't think that another potential 3 pt shooting guy is going to really accomplish much-- the Spurs are already the best 3 pt shooting team in the NBA, without him.