Feel free to merge this with the Mahinmi thread if you think appropriate......
I think folks need to realize what a bust is before they start throwing the word around. I believe a "bust" is a player who comes in with a certain expectation (ususally defined by their draft position) and fail to meet those expectations on the court.
Take for example Kwame Brown who was the first pick in his draft class. Initial expectations should not have been as high as they were since he was coming into the league straight from high school and not only had to learn basketball fundamentals and the shock of playing against the talent level you encounter in the NBA, he had to mature as a man and get used to something as simple as being away from home (Mom). I would call him a bust but I would also call him an ill advised pick. Jordan rolled the dice on potential and came up snake eyes.
Now take the Boston Celtics. Back in the 80s, they drafted a kid named Len Bias. Bias died before he ever played a game in the NBA. Was he a bust? I don't think so unless you want to say it was because of cocaine and his own fault, that is a bit of a stretch. Later, Reggie Lewis came into the league without as much expectation and played well for Boston but died prematurely due to a heart condition. Again, I would not call him a bust.
More to the Spurs, Ian Mahinmi cannot be labeled a bust because his draft position meant his expectations were a long shot to even make it in the league. Spurs fans are spoiled because Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili were picked up at points in the draft where they have excelled beyond typical expectations for a player taken that low in the draft.
I don't think you can call Tiago Splitter a bust either. The jury is still out as to whether he will ever lace them up in the NBA but he has not failed on the court to meet expectations because he has not been on the court yet. Recall the Spurs had to wait two years for David Robinson because of his Naval committment, were people thinking he was a bust while the Spurs continued to languish waiting for their coveted first pick? If they were, they were wrong.
So to be clear, Alfrederick Hughes = bust.
Tony Parker = steal
Ian Mahinmi = we'll see.
i definitely would call that a bust.
I would say someone who comes into a draft highly touted, and very highly rated, but never produces to the level expected, or level that he should perform at consistently.
JR Reid, bust.
Pervis Ellison, injuries played a role, bust.
Sam Bowie bust.
Cory Alexander was a bit of a bust.
Late late first round picks though hardly are busts due to the fact that they aren't expected to contribute or be relied on very heavily.
This form of mass transit is used by everyone from Greyhound to school children. The Who had a "magic" one.
Kwame Brown = bust
Darko = bust
Bargnani = jury still out, but trending to bust
Oden - too early to tell since he's coming back from injury
This must be a steal then…..
Depends whose expectations you're talking about and when...
The question of who...
Nobody outside of Spurs fans even know who the Ian Mahinmi is. He's as obscure as Saer Sene or Cheik Samb. So if you're talking to anyone other than Spurs fans, he's not a bust.
The question of when...
I don't think the Spurs or anyone on this board had any expectations of Mahinmi when he was selected in 2005 and I think many on this board still viewed him as a raw project when he came over in 2007. If you're evaluating him at anytime before last season, he's not a bust.
Having said that, he showed alot of promise with his development and his athleticism is hard to deny. After he turned promise into production (albeit in the D-League) last year, people on this board and probably some Spurs execs started to feel good that they had a long-term frontcourt player.
I still don't think you can call him a bust because he hasn't had the time to prove one way or another. And we've got a couple more years to figure it out.
Nice Rack of Mams.....
i bet they got pulled over because she's not wearing a helmet.
That chick has a nice rack but she looks like a live doll.
OP, thank you for explaining this very simple concept to all the morons who have already written off the 22yo Mahinmi who hasn't even gotten onto the court yet (except for the 6 games last season when he looked raw but good).
STOP! You're killing me!
well.... she isn't.STOP! You're killing me!
Tolliver
Even though I didn't think he'd amount to much anyway.
I said...."Stop it!".
i wouldn't call it indecent exposure coz it's quite decent from where i'm sitting. in fact, i'd even go far as to say it's puhrty.I said...."Stop it!".
(i'm suddenly reminded of the NYPD Blue episode where Delaney showed her butt crack on primetime TV.)
Now that's a bust
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