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Just so long as you're talking in the past tense. With Dirk, it's an on-going problem.
it's what happened to garnett his whole career
Just so long as you're talking in the past tense. With Dirk, it's an on-going problem.
yeah maybe he'll be trade to a team with 2 other HOFers
Anyone who thinks Garnett is better than Dirk is going off of perception rather than actually watching the games. Garnett is nothing more than a jump shooter on offense now and doesn't get to the line nearly as much as Dirk nor does his passive offensive game demand as much attention. A better rebounder and defender yes, but overall I'd rather have Dirk. + Dirk is 2 years younger and probably has more good basketball left in him.
Garnett played about as well in the Finals as Dirk did in the '06 Finals. Difference was the refs didn't screw him dirty and Pierce/Allen/Posey made big shots/plays. Garnett was arguably the 3rd best Celtic during the Finals.
I never expected my inocent "superstars" thread to turn into a Garnettt-Nowitzki discussion.
He's not just a better rebounder and defender, he's an incredibly better rebounder and defender. Not to mention 10x the team leader Dirk is. You're kidding yourself if you think Powe, Perkins and Rondo are even half as good with Dirk instead of KG.
And it has nothing to do with perception. I'm not saying this because KG has a propensity for yelling and looking intense. KG, IS, one of the hardest working players/practice players in the league. And a more vocal leader than anyone else. By far.
The day KG lets Wally Freaking Szczerbiak blow right by him for a dunk, he'll be worse than Dirk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mN8XRYijq4
Wow he didn't even pump fake or something, he just ran to the basket like if there was nobody there.
What a perfect word for Dirk; A real nobody.
There's really only 2 superstar players now. Kobe and Lebron. When you look globally and their impact, these are the only 2.
That's about as smart as saying LeBron isn't a superstar due to turning the ball over at crucial times and then ing about it being a crab dribble.
That nobody is a better player than anyone currently on the Jazz roster.
I'm not a big fan of Dirk but I give him the advantage over Garnett in terms of toughness and winning mentality (and to clear it up, I'm not saying Dirk is "tough"). KG is definitely more talented overall as a player in terms of what he can do and his versatility and yes, he does play more physical than Dirk downlow, but he's a ING PUSSY. You want to know why his teams didn't win in the playoffs? Because they had no one to give the ball to in the fourth quarter. That's why it took Sam Clutch Cassell to get him to the WCF in 2004 and that's why it took two other superstars to help him get a le last season. At least Dirk made it to the Finals without two other superstars carrying his ass. Garnett is fine and "intense" and "energetic" as long as nothing is on the line. Dirk can sometimes go into that choking puss mode but I've seen him have good fourth quarters in the playoffs as well. Garnett? Uh, no. KG is definitely a better inside player but you won't ever see him attacking the rim in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. You'll see him camping his ass on the perimeter waiting to jack up a jumpshot if one of his other teammates can't get a shot off.
Overall it's a tough comparison because both have the reputation as a choker and being soft. I'll admit I do not like KG one bit but it's not like I like Dirk either. He's on the Spurs' rival team.
So you're saying defense shouldn't be a determining factor between deciding who is better between KG and Dirk? I'm not saying Dirk is hot garbage or anything, just that he can't match up with KG as a defender, and to me that's the difference.
I take Deron over Dirk any day of the week. And given Millsap's salary, him too. And AK's not far behind.
Isn't defense half the game?If you throw Garnette in there, then add Dirk as well. Dirk is better at everything than KG is except for defense.
If you add Paul, then add Deron.again
James is not on the level of those two as far as career resumes go, but if we're talking about RIGHT NOW James is just as big a superstar as either one and is probably the best player in basketball.Right now, Duncan, Kobe, and James are the only SUPERSTARS. Even still, James is NOT on the level of Kobe and Duncan.
You're a ing re then.
A healthy Arenas is not near as good as a healthy Wade.
There's not a GM in this league who would rather have Dirk than Deron. And are you really trying to argue that Millsap for $700,000 isn't a better deal than Dirk at whatever salary he's making?
Offensively, KG is just as soft if not softer than Dirk. They both shoot too many shots where they are fading away. Defensively Dirk is the softer one, just look at KG's first all NBA defense appearances compared to Dirk's.
Not to mention how Dirk face raped KG in their playoff series.
Also I wonder has KG ever won a game 7 on the floor of his biggest rival?
I agree with the Williams part but the argument isn't who is a better value for their salary, you can't change the argument in the middle of the argument.
Definitely left that out for a reason, you .
Dirk and KG are both equally big playoff chokers. Arguing about whether KG or Dirk is the better playoff player is like arguing about whether getting stabbed in the right arm or left arm is less painful.
The only reason a gm would take Williams over Dirk is age. Dirk is still the better player though.
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