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I don't know that there's ANY physical evidence to support either.
1. God(s) [B]-Lots. If there is one particular god in charge of earth he/she is a mistake-prone artist.
2. magic (not from God or copperfield)No-kinda. I won't go out of my way to piss off a bruja.
3. ghosts-Maybe life is an energy field that lives on past the body?
4. aliens-They are there, waiting for intelligent life to show up here.
5. reincarnation-Hope so. I'll do better next time.
6. government conspiracies i.e. 9/11, Illuminati, etc-With Cheney in there, of course!
7. karma-I wish. There some suckers that deserve some grief.
I don't know that there's ANY physical evidence to support either.
1. God(s) - no, I don't believe in the supernatural
2. magic (not from God or copperfield) - no, see 1
3. ghosts - no, see 1
4. aliens - yes, it's hard to believe there isn't at least single-cell life somewhere nearby
5. reincarnation - no, see 1
6. government conspiracies i.e. 9/11, Illuminati, etc - Too vague. I don't believe Bush and Cheney brought down the towers or that there was a second gunman who killed Kennedy.
7. karma - no, see 1
God was not the Author of the Bible. Christians have manipulated the text over many centuries. Not to mention there is a complete lack of difinative authorship. That is historical fact and its even confirmed by Christian followers. Its widely accepted that Christians changed, deleted and manipulated tons of text to fit the mold.
You seem to think the bible was penned right out of Jesus' mouth.
Not all of my sources are purely authenticated. I never said they were. However a large portion of my argument stems from physical Calendars that pre-dated Jesus. So I have original physical evidence. Even Christians don't deny their existence....and of course I've cited text or books that are referencable in original form.
The faith of a child is revered in the Bible. Angel Luv's faith is, frankly, impressive; as is her willingness to express it despite extensive ridicule and scorn.
Not picking a fight here, but where do you think all of this came from, or do you not worry about it, and figure we'll figure it out when we figure it out?
There are numerous posts in this thread including references supporting my statement.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112981
Aliens- yes
but i don't think we'll ever see one
I never said it wasn't impressive. I just pointed out that she constantly references something thats of little value. The oldest known bible (if I remember correctly) is from around the 4th Century.
She's repeating what she's been told to repeat and thats the bible is "Gods word". Only god or Jesus didn't write the bible.
see: history of Bible
speakin of which.......which one is more correct......the King James, the New King James, the New American Standard, the Living or any one of 10 others that I'm missing?
The only one that is absolutely correct is the original Greek; all others are (different) people's attempts at translating them - to differing degrees of success, and much of the nuance is lost in translation - fortunately the Bible Study group I'm a member of includes an Antiquities professor - it helps keep (wrong) literal translations at bay. NIV (The New International Version) is my personal favorite - and my own is HEAVILY foot-noted to denote where there is questionable nuance in the translation.
I was just browsing some blurbs on the oldest know bible. Inconsistancies never cease to amaze me.
The Codex - and other early manuscripts - do not mention the ascension of Jesus into heaven, and omit key references to the Resurrection, which the Archbishop of Canterbury has said is essential for Christian belief.
Other differences concern how Jesus behaved. In one passage of the Codex, Jesus is said to be “angry” as he healed a leper, whereas the modern text records him as healing with “compassion”.
Also missing is the story of the woman taken in adultery and about to be stoned - until Jesus rebuked the Pharisees (a Jewish sect), inviting anyone without sin to cast the first stone.
Nor are there words of forgiveness from the cross. Jesus does not say “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”.
......and you guys think you're reading the words of Jesus verbatim.
Oh so know you claim to know which one is "absolutely" correct.
Yes. 100%1. God(s)
In the "oh my god! He just cut that guy in half" sense..yes. But all that crap can be explained. So no. No magic.2. magic (not from God or copperfield)
Sure, why the heck not.3. ghosts
Like SFIE said, with all this space out there, there is bound o be "something" out there.4. aliens
Naw. I don't believe in it. To each their own though.5. reincarnation
6. government conspiracies i.e. 9/11, Illuminati, etc
Again, like SFIE said, as a concept, but not in reality. It's more of a "what goes around comes around" kind of thing for me.7. karma
The oldest pieces, or fragments of differing religious texts dates to the 2nd century, but from what I can tell, the existence of previous pieces, the earliest being the letters of Paul, is not questioned as dating to the mid 1st century.
Don't take my words out of context, please. I was referring to the translation of the book; I have not discussed my beliefs regarding the book's accuracy in denoting historical events.
I know full well what I'm reading when I read the Bible. I know that what I am reading could have been translated from the original Greek into Armenian into many different languages over the many years the text has been on the Earth.
I also know that there is lots of controversy about what has and has not been included in the Bible, like Gnostic Gospels.
The books that are included in the New Testament are written by people who lived with Jesus, and they were passed down from generation from generation. Of course things are going to get lost. I don't know why you get so angry about these things.
Interesting......
If my eternal life depended on it and the only one that was correct was the Greek one, I'd learn to read Greek pretty quick instead of going with the NIV.
I'm not angry.
Not really.
Eternal salvation isn't in the details, or the fine print (as Christians believe it, anyway); THAT part is a pretty reliable.
Yes. 100%
In the "oh my god! He just cut that guy in half" sense..yes. But all that crap can be explained. So no. No magic.
Sure, why the heck not.
Like SFIE said, with all this space out there, there is bound o be "something" out there.
Naw. I don't believe in it. To each their own though.
Again, like SFIE said, as a concept, but not in reality. It's more of a "what goes around comes around" kind of thing for me.
maybe I should be more specific....
I wonder what people believe when they believe in both Jesus and in intelligent life on other planets...........as in, if an alien sins, does Jesus have to go to a planet such as Tattooine and die for their sins over there too?
then why is the fine print included in the manual at all?
Because life isn't all about getting to Heaven.
If that alien believes that Jesus died on the cross for his sins why not.
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