Why does the big 10 suck so bad?

[to21]

why because Tressel plays the way the creators of football intended it to be played? A style that is still played in the NFL for the most part. He plays a style that translates to the pros and it shows because each year he has more players drafted than any other school except USC- who also plays a traditional style game, but has better talent because of their ability to recruit from a larger pool (Ca) and the city and area they are in.

C'mon Bro.....u mad at Colt McCoy for throwing for 400 +, the same as hate small ball in the NBA?

It's not the fault of the program running the system.....put some on the style of play Tressel runs. Gimmicks are here to stay as long as teams get W's.

[Thunder Dan]

C'mon Bro.....u mad at Colt McCoy for throwing for 400 +, the same as hate small ball in the NBA?

It's not the fault of the program running the system.....put some on the style of play Tressel runs. Gimmicks are here to stay as long as teams get W's.

I'm not a moron, I know that is the trend. I'm just saying that is why Ohio State lost, and why the Big Ten has trouble in bowl games

[Thunder Dan]

Ohio State could recruit Usain Bolt and Tyson Gay and line them up in the backfield just run the wildcat all game long, while running a hurry up so nobody could adjust a coverage, or to get 5 yard penalties and I guarantee it would be the most unwatchable crap to ever come to college football, but they would win games........all I'm sayin

[tlongII]

FYI - Oregon State plays a pro style offense too. It's not just USC in the Pac-10.

[to21]

I'm not a moron, I know that is the trend. I'm just saying that is why Ohio State lost, and why the Big Ten has trouble in bowl games

IMO, judging by the way they exchanged QB's and putting Pryor in at receiver, tells me Tressel might be going to the dark side.

BTW, I didn't say you were a moron, you seem to be of the small few here who can have a disagreement on an a message board and not call someone a dumb who doesn't agree with your view.

[Thunder Dan]

IMO, judging by the way they exchanged QB's and putting Pryor in at receiver, tells me Tressel might be going to the dark side.

I know- but that is why we stayed in the game because we had to revert to using that kind of stuff.

[Thunder Dan]

FYI - Oregon State plays a pro style offense too. It's not just USC in the Pac-10.

that is why USC loses a game once a year, and doesn't blow teams out every week. Gimmicks are hard to stop, but when you play a pro-style game you stand to lose a game here and there. Look at the NFL, on any given Sunday a team could win and it's not just because of parity

[lebomb]

It all goes in cycles..............years ago the Pac10 was very, very good......close to the best. Purdue, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin and OSU were awesome. The Big 12 was OU and Texas. The SEC was good and the Pac 10 had USC and uhhhhh Oregon? Now things have flipped some.

Thats life damnit............things change.

That is why the Big 10 is down now. They will be back........dont worry.

[JoeTait75]

IMO, judging by the way they exchanged QB's and putting Pryor in at receiver, tells me Tressel might be going to the dark side.

One of Tressell's better qualities is that he's not afraid to alter his schemes to suit his personnel. The Buckeyes ran their offense almost exclusively out of spread sets when Troy Smith was here, and will do so again when TP matures.

[romad_20]

UGA plays a pro-style, too. I think it does have to do with coaching. Are you willing to play the spread and use tweeners or are you going to line up smack people in the mouth. My point is if you are good enough you can win with the pro-style against the gimmick. The Big 10 should figure that out.

[leemajors]

exploiting a defense that is heavy on rotating linemen is nothing new in college or NFL. Get stops, force incompletions. I was pissed Davis went away from it in the 4th, they were carving them up. Davis being incompetent is nothing new. I think the main reason the hurry up worked is he didn't have time to call in the several hundred screens UT ran outside of those few series.

[Thunder Dan]

UGA plays a pro-style, too. I think it does have to do with coaching. Are you willing to play the spread and use tweeners or are you going to line up smack people in the mouth. My point is if you are good enough you can win with the pro-style against the gimmick. The Big 10 should figure that out.

See in order to win the Big Ten you need to run the ball and play defense, in which case Georgia could win the Big Ten. But Georgia plays in a league where you get out gimmicked which is why they lost by 70 something to Florida this year. I won't hear an argument that says Florida is that much better than Georgia, they were just out gimmicked.

And Georgia, playing their prostyle was taken pretty far by a very very middle of the road Michigan State team so that even proves my point more that when you play pro style football a team with more talent can still be challenged, by which I mean USC could kill anyone if they went to gimmicks.

Maybe I only make sense to myself

[JamStone]

Thing is, the NFL is changing just the same. We do see the "wildcat" type offense in Miami this past year. They went to the playoffs. We do see a no-huddle offense with Peyton Manning and the Colts. They won a Superbowl. The 3-4 defense has become more popular in the NFL as well. And, you see roamers that really are undefinable positions like Bob Sanders and Troy Polamalu. Sports change. And, the NFL is not immune to trends.

And, , Tressel and OSU aren't immune to those "gimmick" plays. Tressel busted out a five wide receiver set a couple years ago against Michigan. And, then last night, he lined up the starting QB, Pryor, as a wide receiver to catch a TD. Does Tressel do that a lot? No. But, the Big Ten schools have started to come around to more innovative ways to run different systems, schemes, and approaches, whether or not they've done it at the same rate as other schools in the SEC and the Big 12. And, it's working. Florida won a NT with a non-traditional offense and they're back in the NCG. Texas Tech became a top 10 team in the country with a wide open system despite not getting the same level of talent as Texas and Oklahoma. Utah went undefeated and beat Alabama with a less traditional offense.

Oh, and to this point and in response to Joe Tait earlier, these "trends" don't have to be complete overhauls. There are variations and adaptations. Urban Meyer is still going to recruit 300+ offensive linemen. USC is still going to pound the ball with 2-3 running backs. And, Rich Rodriguez should and hopefully will realize that he can implement his system and not sacrifice the type of players like the 300+ offensive linemen or having a QB that is also a good pocket passer. It's being able to still get those 4 and 5 star recruits and then mixing in some of the "system" players that can still make for a strong program. Look no further than Ohio State for evidence of that, by recruiting and playing now two QBs in the last couple years that are both a threat to throw and run.

[Thunder Dan]

Thing is, the NFL is changing just the same. We do see the "wildcat" type offense in Miami this past year. They went to the playoffs. We do see a no-huddle offense with Peyton Manning and the Colts. They won a Superbowl. The 3-4 defense has become more popular in the NFL as well. And, you see roamers that really are undefinable positions like Bob Sanders and Troy Polamalu. Sports change. And, the NFL is not immune to trends.

And, , Tressel and OSU aren't immune to those "gimmick" plays. Tressel busted out a five wide receiver set a couple years ago against Michigan. And, then last night, he lined up the starting QB, Pryor, as a wide receiver to catch a TD. Does Tressel do that a lot? No. But, the Big Ten schools have started to come around to more innovative ways to run different systems, schemes, and approaches, whether or not they've done it at the same rate as other schools in the SEC and the Big 12. And, it's working. Florida won a NT with a non-traditional offense and they're back in the NCG. Texas Tech became a top 10 team in the country with a wide open system despite not getting the same level of talent as Texas and Oklahoma. Utah went undefeated and beat Alabama with a less traditional offense.

Oh, and to this point and in response to Joe Tait earlier, these "trends" don't have to be complete overhauls. There are variations and adaptations. Urban Meyer is still going to recruit 300+ offensive linemen. USC is still going to pound the ball with 2-3 running backs. And, Rich Rodriguez should and hopefully will realize that he can implement his system and not sacrifice the type of players like the 300+ offensive linemen or having a QB that is also a good pocket passer. It's being able to still get those 4 and 5 star recruits and then mixing in some of the "system" players that can still make for a strong program. Look no further than Ohio State for evidence of that, by recruiting and playing now two QBs in the last couple years that are both a threat to throw and run.

I'm saying that the gimmicks work and that is the reason college football is forever changing to it. I'm just saying that I don't like watching football played like that. I enjoy defense and offense as equals, and I also enjoy watching backs like Chris Wells run, and I don't care to see my QB act like he is handing a ball off only to take it himself and run, or see him throw it 70 times a game.

I know Ohio State is headed that way, but traditionally they haven't been that which is why they have lost so many big games. I'm saying for MYSELF, that I hate that . If I wanted all passing I'd watch Arena Football and if I wanted all running I'd watch Rugby.

[romad_20]

See in order to win the Big Ten you need to run the ball and play defense, in which case Georgia could win the Big Ten. But Georgia plays in a league where you get out gimmicked which is why they lost by 70 something to Florida this year. I won't hear an argument that says Florida is that much better than Georgia, they were just out gimmicked.

And Georgia, playing their prostyle was taken pretty far by a very very middle of the road Michigan State team so that even proves my point more that when you play pro style football a team with more talent can still be challenged, by which I mean USC could kill anyone if they went to gimmicks.

Maybe I only make sense to myself

No, I kind of agree with you. I don't think we were out gimmicked because we lined up and smacked Florida in the mouth last year with the pro-style. We lost this year because of piss poor coaching (1st quarter onside kick, down by 4) and not running the ball consistantly on 1st down. A lot to do with that was injuries (19 season ending injuries with 3 or 4 being starters on UGA's o-line) and the fact that I think Stafford is more Farve than Elway.

That Michigan State game was just sloppy on UGA's part. When they actually played somewhat consistant they dominated them in the second half, especially on defense.