Says the man that compares Arenas with Wade
The difference between Wade and Parker/Pierce is that these last two had a lot more help. Wade carried the Heat almost by himself. Either way Parker and Pierce are a lot better than Arenas.Parker was an MVP in the finals right? Hes not on the list is he? So was Pierce too right? Bad choice of logic here.
Take KG out of that team and I don't know if they make the playoffsKG never took a lottery team to the finals. He was paired with two other allstars.
And judging by last year's finals, one would think that Pierce is better than Kobe. But you need to look at the whole picture to get a conclusion about something.And Williams doesnt have to do as much as CP3, but judging by the way they play head to head, one would think Deron was better
Concerning the game vs the Hornets -> just read the whole thread. There are already a couple of posts about it. Dirk had great numbers, the highest PER in the league, but the whole rest of the team (maybe except Bass) sucked totally. That's why they lost, not because of him.
Against Golden State -> Yes, Dirk didn't play well, that's correct, but additionally he was still dealing with his leg injury. And Avery sucked completely. Incredible bad coaching.
Did he really compare Wade with Arenas?
A team with Pierce, Allen, Rondo, Al Jefferson, Perkins, Ryan Gomes is not a playoff team in the East?????
Step away from whatever you are smoking.
Dirk > KG
Dirk didn't need to hitch a ride with two other all stars to make it to the Finals. Didn't cry on camera either.
Who the were Rondo and Perkins before Garnett got there?
The reason the Celtics won it all last year and are what they're right now is their defense and the mayor responsible of that is KG.
Besides I didn't say he wouldn't make the playoffs I said I didn't know. What I do know is that they wouldn't have won the championship.
Superstars + :
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Why: - Can dominate on O AND D
- Are Clutch
- Are regular performers throughout their careers
- Have brought home championships, competed and won on the highest level possible on numerous occasions.
- Still admidst the best right now
Superstars (Not Q. Yet):
Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Stars:
Paul Pierce
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Chris Paul
Best of All-Stars:
C. Bosh
J. Johnson
D. Howard
C. Billups
D. Williams
Rondo and Perkins, if I can remind you, are both very young lottery picks during the era that the Celtics were crappy and were ac ulating assets to use for a big move later (which they did).
Rondo's speed and agility are what they are not because of KG.
The whole concept of making a player better has been shut down many many times but statisticians.
Rondo is in his third year, and it can be argued very easily that he might have turned into a very good player with or without KG. He was highly regarded from his rookie year, I remember Phx fans being pissed at the Suns for trading his rights.
I understand Manu, his per minutes numbers have always been amazing, but Tony that high is a bit of homerism methinks.
I can agree with this list. Pretty good ranking and thought behind it, but I would have to include James in the same conversation with Kobe and Duncan. His impact on the game is probably more than Tim and Kobe at this point.
I put Parker there, becuz he's been a proven winner and leader on the highest level. He's been part of 3 championships and won an NBA finals MVP award. Same for Manu.
Not at this point in his career. He's a final's MVP and he's young. Also I would include Billups in that same tier.
I agree, but technically Deron isn't an All-Star, nor will he be this season due to those stupid s in China.
Almost did.
Since the original thread has been hijacked anyway, my 2 cents on the KG-Dirk issue.
KG is obviously the better defender, and Dirk is easily the better offensive player. I think most will agree with that.
In terms of overall impact and value, it's a near wash ... and it's closer than most people are making it out to be. We all love to kick someone when they're down. When Dirk won the MVP and KG wasn't making the playoffs, people were calling Dirk the best forward in the league and KG was called a stat-stuffer who wasn't a leader or a winner. Then, KG wasn't making the All-star starting lineup or the All-NBA first team. Now, KG is the reigning champ/DPOY and people are calling Dirk soft/defensive matador etc.
Most of the cliches in this thread are exaggerations. Dirk is a unique offensive player who is not a very good defender; but he isn't a piss-poor defender either - the 06 and 07 Mavs were top 10 in FG% defense and rebounding % in the league. OTOH, KG is a very good defender (but not some type of all-time great; Thibodeau's system makes the Celts an excellent defensive team).
Thank you! The Mavs continue to be a great rebounding team too, and Dirk has a lot to do with that. Because of his game he will never have a lot of off.rebounds but he has always been a great defensive rebounder.
Great take. If I had to trade Amare for one of those two power forwards, I'm not really sure who I'd take at this point in their careers.
Garnett: Great defender-more than an above average offensive player
Nowitzki: Great offensive player-average defensive player (beign nice here)
=
Garnett better than Nowitzki
No.
The impact Dirk has on the offensive end is much more important than anything Garnett personally does on defense. Dirk changes the whole way teams prepare for a game because of how unique and hard to match he is. Rightfully so, after 06 people were saying he was a Top 2 offensive player in the league with Kobe being the other, and even today that is not far off.
If I were you, I'd just be pissed that Amare was on my team.
they would also have Al Jefferson. Celtics were definitely playoff bound last year.
A game after getting owned by Harrington and Jeffries, KG gets punked by Boris Diaw
Were there any intense chest pounds?
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