I'm not arguing the merits of virgin birth or other miracles. We're arguing the alleged similarities between the two stories.
To follow your Jack in the Beanstalk analogy, it's like he's trying to argue that the legend of Washington cutting down a cherry tree was stolen from the fable of Jack and the Beanstalk because they both cut down a plant. Similarities exist, but they are irrelevant to the point that it's ridiculous to try and compare the two.
Show me parallels that are numerous, detailed, striking, complex, and central to Christianity.
There are hundreds. For the sake of the argument there are reasonably no less than 20 in this thread.
Probably a solid 2 or 3 pertaining to the Horus discussion you guys are having now.
Mithra is quite a bit more compelling. Christians stole nearly the entire diety/religion for their own.
And you have proved this how?
How can you sit there and argue virginity or not over a fable.
How did this fable came to be. Please give us specifics.
Its not a real story so you can't logically argue that because they were married they had sex.
What is your source to affirm this?
Fables aren't rooted in reality. The story is similar. Other stories are similar. None of them are real. They're fabrications. You can't nitpic a fabricated myth because it doesn't equate to reality.
So?
He's provided evidence of a virgin birth pertaining to a myth.
Even if there was a fable 200 years before Jesus was born about a virgin birth, how the does that absolutely disqualify Jesus' birth as told in the Bible?
Its like arguing Jack in the Beanstalk because no vine could grow that big. No its a fable.
Until you prove how the Bible came to be, STFU.
I see what you're saying. Although I agree and side with MH its really the reason I have abandoned that angle of the debate. Its easily arguable.
My initial point in all of this was that regardless of particulars the general basis of many stories are similar. As a collective whole its too much to ignore. Then partner that with the ability to mathematically map out the mans life I find it hard to lend credibility to the reality of his existence. Furthermore if you want similarities there are very few original celebrations central to Christianity....almost everything of significance date and time wise can be found in other religions or dieties.
Christmas, Passover and Easter are easiest to point out. lol but some here have said Christmas isn't compelling.
You keep saying that, but outside of you and MH, no one really sees it that way. I consider myself a pretty rational person, and I think what I've contributed to this argument shows that I'm willing to consider what's been presented. However I just simply haven't seen anything compelling that shows me Christianity is a copy-cat religion, nor have I seen anything to dispute the historical accuracy of the gospels and epistles.
If you want to discuss Mithra, we can do so as well...but I've studied that and I'm prepared with answers if you're interested.
All of these gods are based on personifications of astrological bodies or time frames. This isn't even being debated. Its widely accepted. The only one that isn't is Jesus. I don't need to show you that. Go read up yourself.
As far as how the fable came to be. This has been explained to death in this thread. The dates and times and moments are rooted in calendars. The stories were grown and cultivated around the time pieces. This isn't opinion ok.
Hurcules, Zues yada yada scholars already recognize their orgins. Why are you even asking this.
What is your deal with the "STFU". Why do I have to STFU. What the is your problem.
I'm not going away. I'm not spamming the board. I'm being a reasonable contributor to this thread. You have ing issues.
What makes you think you can tell me to STFU. What makes you think you can remove me from the thread?
I'm not interested. I've said before and I'll it again. Nothing no matter how compelling will alter the views of Christians.
I'll dable in points here and there but the bulk of my debating within this thread is over.
I'm still strong in my faith. But I do admire your persistence although it does nothing to my faith.
Good, me neither.
This Christ-myth argument is nothing new. It's been around forever, and I really think that if it was as compelling as some would think it is, it would really have a larger impact on Christianity.
In my eyes Jesus Christ did and still does exists and all your babbling about fables and tales and the cookie monster, blah, blah, blah means nothing to me.
so that's it? this thread is over?
well at least mono will keep might keep it going with some more ens or whatever the that was.
angel luv?
and if Christianity was as legit as some make it out to be, then why isn't it the #1 religion in the world?
I'm convinced that football is the best sport ever conceived by man, but I'll never be able to convince someone in Brazil that in the middle of their soccer riot.
I concur. +1
Religion is not a game. At least not to me.
So...because football is not the number 1 sport in the world, does that mean it's not a legitimate sport?
I don't agree with that at all. Mitra...Mithra what have you. There are many similarities, notably recognized and so forth. Christmas is a prime example. Go ahead and poll 1000 Christians and they'll have no clue as to what you're talking about. Even though the 25th and Christmas was an adopted, stolen or borrowed time piece from Mitra or Mithra. Its early I don't feel like fact checking.
People are more like sheep than they ever were. Especially devoute Christians. Very few are capable of thinking beyond the scope of their religion. most probably couldn't count back the last 8 presidents in order let alone have mythology knowledge.
Its way less organized. The BCS would have a field day.
the reference was not to show religion as a game. Not sure how you concluded that.
The BCS would screw that up too......probably have Buddhism and Islam in the le game while the Roman Catholics would have to take on the Mormons in the Sugar Bowl...
wait a sec.....
Sadly, I think there is some truth to that. I think when a Christian takes the "God said it, I believe it, that settles it" stance it's simply laziness. Too many are like that. No offense, but I think Angel_Luv typifies that. She is either not interested enough, or hasn't had enough time to develop sufficient logical arguments to support her faith. She simply believes what the Bible says, and isn't ready to explore outside of that.
Christians can be lazy. A lot of them just want to go to heaven, and aren't interested in truth. So, they don't allow their faith to be challenged and pretend that engaging in such a challenge shows a lack of faith, when really all it shows is an unwillingness to learn more truth, and sometimes just outright laziness.
no, but it would mean more people are wrong than right.
most Christians claim that God speaks very clearly to them through the Bible.
if it's so clear, why aren't there more? heck, why are we even having this thread go on for 47+ pages?
Read Mitra-Varuna, or something, please. Please go learn something about what is so self-evidently and definitively true to you.
Your demonstrations sucked. Just saying. I at least put forward a scholastic theory that accomodates both faith and science. But the philosophical discussion failed at delivery, too.
If you undertake to criticize something that's very important to people, you'd best be pretty familiar with it first. The critic who obviously knows less than his audience may not get very far.
Some things, in my opinion, should not be up for debate.
My stance that "God said it, I believe it, that settles it" does not stem from laziness, lack of interest, or lack of educational opportunities.
Rather my stances comes from my recognition and submission to the fact that God is too great to ever be fully explained by any man, no matter how smart.
God and His Word trumps everything, always.
+100
I think angel luv is a typical teenager that has gotten caught up in her church youth group........which is not a bad thing to be sure........
unless she doesn't allow for any critical/skeptical thinking later as she gets older.
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