Here is the verse in full context.
Acts 2: 14-41-
"Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: "Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It's only nine in the morning!
No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
" 'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
I will show wonders in the heaven above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.'
"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
David said about him:
" 'I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will live in hope,
because you will not abandon me to the grave,
nor will you let your Holy One see decay.
You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.'
"Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day.
But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.
Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay.
God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.
Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet." '
"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call."
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation."
Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day."
There's an old joke. Um, two elderly women are at a Catskill Mountain resort. And one of 'em says: 'Boy, the food in this place is really terrible.' The other one says: 'Yeah, I know. And such small portions.' Well, that's essentially how I feel about life. Full of loneliness and misery and suffering and unhappiness, and it's all over much too quickly...
Still doesn't answer the question if Jesus is a necessary component of salvation.
I'm guessing that Jews just have a different suburb of Heaven than the Christians.
Jesus came and made the way for all to be saved. No person is doomed to .
God's love is so great that, though He could rightly compel everyone to serve him, he gives us all the free will to choose.
That said, we cannot fairly expect God, who in just and righteous as well as merciful, to suspend reality in order to cater to us.
There is a correct order to things and that order must be followed.
For example, I could have a large inheritance set aside for me, but unless I go through the process to accept the money, I will never receive it.
Should that happen, the fault would not lie with the relative who made the money available but with me for not doing my part to receive it.
Acts 4: 8-13-
"Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: "Rulers and elders of the people! If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.
He is " 'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus."
I do not follow ID, I have my own little idea.
But for 'complex life', how would you define it? Complex life as in a highly advanced cephalic regions and circulatory systems? Or complex as in the ability to think and be self-aware? Because I am not ruling out organisms which are complex anatomically(sp), but as far as being able to express ideas, emotions, and awarenss, such as us, in my opnion, the chances of that are slim, but even still I am not saying there IS no such possibility, just I wouldn't bet on it.
Last edited by E20; 01-07-2009 at 02:18 PM.
still doesnt answer the question but how bout this....
since God gave you free will, how bout you say in your own words what you believe........verse free.
OK, I'll define it is large beings with the capability to think in abstract terms. Something as complex as the creation of human life that cannot be duplicated even when the experiment is done billions of billions of times is almost a textbook definition of a miracle (just add God and there you go). Your statement seems to shade the probabilities heavily on the side of ID.I do not follow ID, I have my own little idea.
But for 'complex life', how would you define it? Complex life as in a highly advanced cephalic regions and circulatory systems? Or complex as in the ability to think and be self-aware? Because I am not ruling out organisms which are complex anatomically(sp), but as far as being able to express ideas, emotions, and awarenss, such as us, in my opnion, the chances of that are slim, but even still I am not saying there IS no such possibility, just I wouldn't bet on it.
I never said cannot be duplicated, I did say unlikely. But who knows? Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. Right now I'm trying to worry about my bank account god dammit only 11 dollars in it.
You shade the probabilities of it never being repeated pretty close to 1.
Why "govt conspiracies" and not also "corporate conspiracies"? There have been plenty of the latter (eg. ENRON, rorts in Iraq, etc.).
1) evolved life not possible, out of an effectively infinite number of suitable planets in the universe? Why?
2) "major concepts blah blah blah" - you mean evolution by natural selection, or are you talking about ID?
3) I think you are misconstruing what your professors have said, or they are not very good "professors". Were they referring to another sentient species ON THIS PLANET, because that would make sense. Where are you studying?
Please share.
If we don't destroy ourselves first, mankind will eventually become God.
There are quasi complete versions from the 2nd century
What is the Codex?
Put some more effort in your posts, please.
http://www.codex-sinaiticus.net/en/codex/default.aspx
Codex Sinaiticus, a manuscript of the Christian Bible written in the middle of the fourth century, contains the earliest complete copy of the Christian New Testament. The hand-written text is in Greek. The New Testament appears in the original vernacular language (koine) and the Old Testament in the version, known as the Septuagint, that was adopted by early Greek-speaking Christians. In the Codex, the text of both the Septuagint and the New Testament has been heavily annotated by a series of early correctors.
The significance of Codex Sinaiticus for the reconstruction of the Christian Bible's original text, the history of the Bible and the history of Western book-making is immense.
1. What are the chances? I think they are slim and that's why it won't happen, I'm not ruling out the possibility like I've mentioned above. Evolved life? I said evolved life is possible, but a humaniod species like us I think is unlikely.
2. By Major concepts I mean the complexity of gene sequences, the complexity of major biological systems of advanced organisms that have evolved. It took a while for the very first organisms to evolve and have the luck of not dying out to eventually produce such complex systems.
3. Statiscially speaking the odds of another planet to produce such a diverse and advanced array of species like Earth's is unlikely.
IMO It's too long to write, but I think Adam or the first Sapien was black. LOL It would sound far fetched to somebody other than me, but it makes sense to me.Please share.
Last edited by E20; 01-07-2009 at 07:50 PM.
feel free to add.
although I thought the ENRON "conspiracy" was fact.
maybe we then create life on another planet and watch it from a distance
1. God(s)--No Gods, just celebrities.
2. Magic (not from God or copperfield)--Don't believe that we have magic. Nothing exists outside of the laws of this universe that we can grasp more than conceptually.
3. Ghosts--Don't believe in them.
4. AliensThey are out there, but if we are willing to see life as it exists somewhere else is another story. Why would life only exist on this rock? How inclusive the race is also concerns me.
5. Reincarnation Not possible.
6. Government Conspiracies--I'd rather believe that the government knew about 9/11 than the intelligence community was caught sleeping on the terrorist network; call me an arrogant American. Kennedy was killed by mobsters while low-energy buibs and tagless underwear have always been possible.
7. Karma--I don't believe in it. What we put into life is what we have. Talent is what leaps us forward. Realizing opportunity is a matter of life experience and the brain. Bad things can happen even if we are diligent, earnest, and compassionate. No one judges us at the end of the day. It is simply up to the person to want to be just. Our test is our own.
But no one was attacking, accusing or tempting you. They were asking what you believe.
What if you never even heard about said inheritance?
There are a number of Codex from the 4th C. He never made the distinction, hence my question.
Codex Vaticanus is older than Codex Sinaictus, for example.
Another very old codex is Codex Alexandrinus, possibly from the early 5th C.
You seem to characterize natural selection as a random process; a roll of the dice. That equates the theory of evolution to nihilism, which makes it a far less believable theory than intelligent design; this world is clearly not all chaos that blindly random processes would have it devolve into. Calling natural selection random just because individual mutations are random is like saying if I'm shooting pool, I might as well not even aim; where the struck ball goes is random, since the movement of every electron (that gives the repulsion force to transfer momentum) in each ball is random. If I sit down and play poker with Manny, the cards we'll be dealt is random, but the outcome that Manny will take every penny from me if I don't come to my senses and quit early is almost certain.
I don't attribute randomness to evolution or natural selection, but I attribute a chance or probability of the offspring to flourish in there enviornment and pass on the genes that favor their survival. For example what are your chances of surviving in the Sahara Desert, if you are not naturally adapted to the enviornment? And even if you are there is still the chance of not finding adequate food or shelter, and being attacked which factors in if you survive or not.
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