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Hill is 1/10 the player of Ginobili. Calm down. And that's not a dig against Hill. I like him.
Besides, Hill's a 1-2 not a 2-1.
George Hill will be a future star in the league.
The spurs should trade Manu and open a starting spot for Hill. The sooner Hill is thrust into a starting position the sooner he will develope his confidence and game. Hill will make more all star appearances than Manu and has more upside future but the spurs need to give him the starters minutes to move his developmental process along. Start Hill at the 2 and play him some at the 1 when Parker is on the bench.
Hill and Mason can cover the 2 guard spot. The spurs will not go far in the playoffs without a quality big addition. I see in here no one believes the spurs have anyone to trade for a quality big because they fail to consider trading Manu. It will take a big trade like moving Manu to get a quality big.
I know this will not sit well with the sentimental crowd but keeping players out of sentiment or because you like what they have done in the past or they are from your home country or simply because you like them is not a way to build success in the future.
Trading Manu now not only adds the quality big which would increase the Spurs chances this year but it opens a starters spot for Hill.
Hill is 1/10 the player of Ginobili. Calm down. And that's not a dig against Hill. I like him.
Besides, Hill's a 1-2 not a 2-1.
Hmmmmmm.............I dont know, maybe.........but I do know Ive seen Manu score 25 straight points in a game, and also shoot a lights out 48pts on Phoenix before. Time will tell if Hill can do those kinds of things.
The only untradeable players are Duncan and Parker, but what big would you trade Manu for?
amare?
i don't like the idea of trading manu...
i love him, one of my favorite players, and i always hoped (hope) he can retire as a spur..
but, without bias, i would trade manu for dhoward in a heartbeat, and amare, well, packaged with another player would work.
yes, i know these propositions don't match up financially.
It is too early to put Hill in starting SG. He is not ready for it
All-Star? He's going to the NBDL?
A quick look at the guards in the West and its clear he won't be an All-Star anytime soon.
I won't count Kidd, Billups, and Nash because of their age.
Hill would have to get better than one of the following: Kobe, Paul, any guard who plays in Houston, Deron, Roy, Baron, Monta, Kevin Martin, Mayo.
I like Hill but that's not happening.
Not even on a video game.
too soon, don't jinx him
george hill = beno udrith the 1st three months of his career...
...we should deal him now while he's still trade value
well, i guess that any true spurs fan should have a difficulty to even imagine one of the big three (and even bruce) in another uniform. it should not be this way, even if Tony is young and maybe will go elsewhere after tim retires.
If we talk only about performance and let aside the emotion, it could be a good thing to trade Manu for a good big only if we'd have some equal quality perimeter player.
but i hope no one is arguing that Mason or Hill have proven to be at manu's real level ? Manu at his level just don't belong in the same category as Hill and Mason. Let's be serious..
so it leads us to two options:
- manu don't get back to his true level: 1) Mason and Hill still have to bring more and we still don't know what they will be able to do in PO where it's a whole different story 2) why would anyone give us a good big for manu not at his best ?
- manu gets back to real manu (or even 90 % of real manu) (which i think he will): at this level, neither mason nor hill can bring what manu is able to bring. Anyone who brought a "trade manu" thread looks like a fool and there's no way we trade such a player at 10 M per year.
so, it only depends whether you think manu will get back to his real level or not. I think so. and i'm still upset by fans who doesn't let him the chance to prove he can. i think he largely deserves it.
why am I not surprised to see Rascal create a "George Hill will be an all star" led thread, but really being a trade Manu thread
FAIL
This thread is loaded with 10 different versions of fail.
Since when Manu is a starter?? Most important… since when Manu is holding Hills development down?? I get it … it’s a hate issue with an antiforeigner/antiargentinian inclination.
There's also this one French point guard on his own team who's married to a Hollywood actress Hill would have to pass as well.
I can agree with that...
I see this is another trade Manu thread. At this point why would any team even want to trade risk their quality big for Manu who's just now coming off of ankle surgery and really isn't even near his best right now.
I remember that game.
It reminded me of one of those zany twilight zone modern day version shows.. a new boxer was tearing everyone up. Only thing - he's from the future and he has a special power to freeze time for a brief period. So right before the critical point in the match, he would use his ability, then get the KO. Manu was playing 2 seconds ahead of everyone.
There was one sequence during the game, where Manu scored... ran back on D, watched the Suns offense unfolding, come from the weak side before a pass was being thrown, before the passer knew he was passing it.. pick it off in full stride go down and score again, before anyone else even crossed halfcourt.
As long as Manu still has that basketball brain and can still pull the trigger he's playing a different game than most of the Nba.
So you want to trade away a future HOF SG, to open up a spot to insert a backup PG to start alongside of Parker? What the is it about Hill and his skills that makes Manu expendable, in your mind?
In case you've forgotten, Hill is a PG and Manu is a SG. They CAN and WILL co-exist. It would've made a better argument if you'd recommended the Spurs trade TP. That idea is just about as preposterous, but I get your point.
While I agree the Spurs need to target a backup big to help Duncan do some heavy-lifting, the Spurs do not, however, need a franchise-caliber big that makes franchise-level money.
Therefore, they don't need to do anything drastic. Spurs don't need to trade anyone. Let's allow Hill to develop at his pace and allow the FO to target and sign a reserve big.
Parker has more upside and more years than Manu. You build around Duncan and Parker.
What makes you think Hill cannot play at sg with Parker at pg?
Hill will just be a backup to Parker if his role is primarily backup pg and won't get the regular minutes to develope his potential playing as a backup .
Hill is not a true pg with strong ball handling /assit skills but more of a scorer/slasher.
Hill has the skill set: quickness/ arm lenght, abilty to attack the rim, score, rebound and play solid defense to be a top sg in the league. Playing off the bench will slow his growth process. He is good enough to already be starting.
George Hill has the wonderful fortune of playing behind some of the best players in the world. Let him be the pupil and absorb all that Game while not having the burden of being forced to perform at a certain level.
Throwing in people too quickly when maybe they aren't mentally prepared or willfully focused can do as much harm as sitting in the bench and not getting playing time.
There is no rush with Hill. Let him learn and contribute like he's doing now. Development is a process and Pop has had some luck with young guards.
becuase hill cant play sg
He has all those attributes you talk about but how tall is he and how exactly did he turn into a quality starter based on your limited findings?
George doesn't have the vision yet to be a great passer and while he has shown some solid promise, he ain't Alvin Robertson or even Willie Anderson like yet. I see him more like a Johnny Dawkins lite. That's not bad.
Dawkin's Career Avg's of 11.1 ppg, 5.5 assists, and 2.5 rebounds would be a perfect compliment to the big 3. I think those numbers are wholly reachable maybe with assists down a tick or 2.
OH AND THE ONLY ALL-STAR GAME HE COULD BE IN...IS THE ROOKIE GAME.
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