Monroe: Two Missed Shots Leave Parker Vexed

[ducks]

spurs made players down the stretch spurs gave up big threes late
their d was the problem not o

[Shastafarian]

pop is forcing to shot that shots

manu is not as good anymore

According to whom?

[ducks]

right now
manu is playing 70% of what he has in the past
pop is saying manu is 90%


according to him look at his interview thread

[Shastafarian]

right now
manu is playing 70% of what he has in the past
pop is saying manu is 90%


according to him look at his interview thread

No no no, where did you get "pop is forcing to shot that shots"?

[ducks]

pop tells tp alot to shot 20-25 shots a game
do you not follow the spurs?

[Shastafarian]

pop tells tp alot to shot 20-25 shots a game
do you not follow the spurs?

Can you supply a link to such a quote?

[z0sa]

Can you supply a link to such a quote?

I don't know where but it is a fact. Parker dominates the offense by design.

[ducks]

been posted here several times
in playoffs especially
ask others in here
use the search feature

[Shastafarian]

been posted here several times
in playoffs especially
ask others in here
use the search feature

what should I put into the search? Shots? 20-25? Tony Parker? Popovich?

I remember Pop saying he likes Tony shooting but I don't remember him putting a number on the shot attempts he wants tony taking.

[timvp]

Shastafarian not knowing basic Spurs strategy? Shocking. Must not have been covered at SR . . .

[Kori Ellis]

what should I put into the search? Shots? 20-25? Tony Parker? Popovich?

I remember Pop saying he likes Tony shooting but I don't remember him putting a number on the shot attempts he wants tony taking.

2007 playoffs. He said he wanted him shooting 20-25 shots a game.

I think during the regular season, they like Tony averaging 16-18 shots a game (more depending on the opponent).

[timvp]

So it's unfair to critique a player?

Myself, I disagree. Just because many do it out of spite, the actuality is, he missed a gimme and then immediately afterward, took a tough contested teardrop in a similar situation and looked just as foolish. The two shot attempts, in relation to the clock situation, were what we wanted - but he botched them both, and badly. Additionally, the second attempt was a chemistry killer IMO. You don't miss a layup then run back and throw THAT up.

Did you watch the game? The layup came after the floater.

But don't let that stop you.

[raspsa]

I think what makes this unusual is he missed both shot when you would normally expect him to make at least one of them and the misses weren't even close.

[Shastafarian]

Shastafarian not knowing basic Spurs strategy? Shocking. Must not have been covered at SR . . .

Basic Spurs strategy is for Tony to shoot 20-25 times a game? Then why does he average 17? I get it that you spend a lot of time analyzing the Spurs. But I don't think it's requisite for you to be such a prick.

[Shastafarian]

2007 playoffs. He said he wanted him shooting 20-25 shots a game.

I think during the regular season, they like Tony averaging 16-18 shots a game (more depending on the opponent).

See that sounds more realistic considering he's averaging 17 shots a game.

[Kori Ellis]

See that sounds more realistic considering he's averaging 17 shots a game.

Yeah, but they don't mind him shooting 20+ times a game when he's exposing an opponent and shooting well over 50 percent in a game. Pop doesn't like Tony to not shoot. It's part of the Spurs game plan for him to have the most shot attempts. They are playing to their strengths.

There are some games when Tony forces this and gets tunnel vision. These are rare compared to a few years back. But when you are a scoring point guard, it's hard to find a balance - particularly in games when the 3-point shooters have gone dry or they can't get free. Those are times when Tony needs to relentlessly continue to try to score.

Last night, the Magic D was all over the Spurs 3-point shooters. So, it was part of the game plan for Tony to continue trying to get to the rack. Unfortunately, he missed two chip shots that he would normally make. I get the Tony criticism sometimes - he's not perfect, no one is. However, those last two shots were what the Spurs wanted. They were behind by multiple possessions with less than a minute to go. They wanted quick baskets near the rim. The shot from the angle wasn't a perfect opportunity, but it wasn't horrible - it was a fastbreak and the Spurs were trying to go quick. The layup, he just didn't get enough on it and it was short. Looked like he didn't have enough legs. But oh well, things happen.

The Spurs' bad perimeter D and the Magic's good perimeter D are why the Spurs lost the game... not Tony Parker. But hopefully Tony blames himself and in destroys the Lakers on Wednesday.

[z0sa]

Did you watch the game? The layup came after the floater.

But don't let that stop you.

Did you? I don't have a DVR but I would bet money on the wide open layup being before the baseline tear drop. EDIT: I haven't seen again myself, apparently I was wrong. Changes very little besides however much cash I'd have bet

Nice little quip there. 'Don't let it stop you,' with the little rolls eyes emoticon. How original, how thought provoking. You don't even contribute anything with that but come off lookin' real cool. Good one. You should've used afterwards to really show how badass you came off there. Damn that was cool.

[Shastafarian]

Yeah, but they don't mind him shooting 20+ times a game when he's exposing an opponent and shooting well over 50 percent in a game. Pop doesn't like Tony to not shoot. It's part of the Spurs game plan for him to have the most shot attempts. They are playing to their strengths.

There are some games when Tony forces this and gets tunnel vision. These are rare compared to a few years back. But when you are a scoring point guard, it's hard to find a balance - particularly in games when the 3-point shooters have gone dry or they can't get free. Those are times when Tony needs to relentlessly continue to try to score.

I completely agree. I love it when Tony is shooting well. Him driving to the basket and making open layups is probably the most important part to the Spurs offensive scheme. But I can't stand it when he goes to lane, doesn't look to pass, and takes a contested layup.

Last night, the Magic D was all over the Spurs 3-point shooters. So, it was part of the game plan for Tony to continue trying to get to the rack. Unfortunately, he missed two chip shots that he would normally make. I get the Tony criticism sometimes - he's not perfect, no one is. However, those last two shots were what the Spurs wanted. They were behind by multiple possessions with less than a minute to go. They wanted quick baskets near the rim. The shot from the angle wasn't a perfect opportunity, but it wasn't horrible - it was a fastbreak and the Spurs were trying to go quick. The layup, he just didn't get enough on it and it was short. Looked like he didn't have enough legs. But oh well, things happen.

I agree on all this except for the tear drop being the shot they wanted. There was about 53 seconds left and they were down by 4 right? Maybe I'm wrong but he was outnumbered down low. It was a close range shot but I still think you have enough time to bring it back out, make a quick pass to Tim or Manu (or even reset and drive again). Shots that are rushed have a lower success rate I would think.

The Spurs' bad perimeter D and the Magic's good perimeter D are why the Spurs lost the game... not Tony Parker. But hopefully Tony blames himself and in destroys the Lakers on Wednesday.

Agreed. I'm gonna be keeping a log of Tony's questionable shot selection for your husband

[Shastafarian]

Did you? I don't have a DVR but I would bet money on the wide open layup being before the baseline tear drop.
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No the tear drop came before the layup.

[z0sa]

No the tear drop came before the layup.

My bad. It's times like this I wish I had some cash for something other than basic cable.

[gilmor]

My bad. It's times like this I wish I had some cash for something other than basic cable.

Why must u crucify him on the last 2 plays when he is the only one bringing Spurs close with Magic for most of the 3 quarters?

Any player will screw up the last-minute plays that's how the game is being played.. and that player includes Kobe, even Tim and Manu

[z0sa]

Why must u crucify him on the last 2 plays when he is the only one bringing Spurs close with Magic for most of the 3 quarters?

Any player will screw up the last-minute plays that's how the game is being played.. and that player includes Kobe, even Tim and Manu

Whose crucifying him? Point out where I've ever been against Parker. This is probably the first time I've ever called him out, and it was for this small sample I'm calling him out, nothing more.

You say he's the only reason we were close, well I went over that in this same thread. The game is 4 quarters, not 3, not 3.5, not 3.9, but 4.

[ducks]

when tp takes a contested layup
is that better then someone else takign a contested jumpshot

[Brazil]

when tp takes a contested layup
is that better then someone else takign a contested jumpshot

exactly

[it's me]

2007 playoffs. He said he wanted him shooting 20-25 shots a game.

I think during the regular season, they like Tony averaging 16-18 shots a game (more depending on the opponent).

Well, that made a lot of sense then… Cavaliers didn’t even try to guard Tony, they didn’t even have a real PG… but now??? To me is not the number of shoots but the quality and timing…. Problem is when a PG is SOMETIMES just looking for his own shoot and passing the ball to the open man becomes the second or even third option.

Anyways… I’ll be labeled as a Tony hater…. I know…