Israel wiping the floor with Palestine

[Shastafarian]

lol @ shastafarian displaying his complete ignorance of simple terms
that's why we have google, breh

What, you can't explain it? If you understand it so well explain it to me.

[The Reckoning]

Learn something new everyday. Thanks.

I did have a weird conversation with a young, female employee once though.

She is some hardcore, small sect of Christianity. Dont ask me which one, I dont know.

Anyway, she came from this cult (her last name is Kultz, talk about irony) and came to work for our sister company thru co-op. One of our first conversations, somehow religion came up (she brought it up, not me, I remember that). Went something like this....

Me: I was baptised Catholic, but I claim to be agnostic if anything at all."

Her: Oh, well I am Christian.

Me: Uhhhh, yeah, I was baptised Catholic.

Her: Right, Im Christian.

Me: Oooook, you do know Catholicism is also a Christian religion?

Her: *smirk* Not it isnt.

Me: This conversation is over.

So I think your insight on a southern baptist has merit, for what its worth. It would seem Catholics are despised the world over these days.

Big whoop.

true that. here's a short story of mine when i was waiting tables in the middle of nowhere. this is some random lady i was waiting.

Me: would you like some more tea, ma'm?

Her: do you know Jesus?

Me: excuse me?

Her: have you read the good book? do you know exactly where you're going when you die?

Me: uhhhh. yes m'am. i'm baptised and confirmed.

Her: wait....you must be Catholic. don't bother answering my question...we know where y'all are going anyway.


turns out she was the town pastor's wife...and the pastor was sitting with her. he didn't say a damn word to correct her stupidity

[tonylongoriafan]

what's the score and how much time is remaining?

[jochhejaam]

Because it is. The only value Israel brings to the US is a testing area for new weapons technology. Its a literal sandbox for the military industrial complex to test theyre latest and greatest techs in a known area of constant "warfare".

Everything you ever wanted to know about Israel, but were afraid to ask. Thanks for the in depth education on what's going on in the State of Israel! (so you don't take that as a compliment, I'll let you know that it's well deserved sarcasm).
What a joke of an explanation for characterizing Israel as a pissant Country
Educate yourself on the Country, and quit rambling with silly, unfounded generalizations (if you don't want to put in much effort, start off with something simple, such as wikipedia), and you may not come across as being so ignorant.

Really? If you take away the Middle East's ancient history and its one and only natural resource, what exact value does it have?

More nonsense (surprise). Take away your history and your resources, and what exactly are you? I'll save you some time trying to formulate an educated answer to the question, and tell you that you would be nothing.

Israel is one uva friend, arent they? What, they only cost us something to the tune of $60 billion a year to stay our friend.

Are you in the business of buying friends? I know I am not. Nor should our country be. Israel offers nothing beyond the military advantages mentioned earlier, IMO.

And to be honest, those arent nearly good enough for me.

Again, you're definition of friendship is based on reciprocity, that is, if one Party has nothing to offer in the way of material substance, then they cannot and should not be a friend (you must be one uva friend).

Much of our welfare class have nothing to offer in return for what they get, and are basically receivers only. Should we disparage them and abandon them too, as you say we should Israel?

And no, I'm not in the "business" of buying friends, but I help my friends out whenever they ask to the fullest extent of my abilities and resources.

[smeagol]

but-but-but---the jews were massacred by hitler!!! That en les them to special status for the rest of humankind's history.

Because of the Holocaust and because of many other things.

You have a problem with that . . . ?

Blacks also have a special status (well deserved) because of the idiotic things whites have done to them.

Do you also have a problem with that too . . . ?

[RandomGuy]

Why Israel will, yet again, probably come out of this encounter in a worse position than before:

The nine paradoxes of counter insurgency:

[QUOTE]

Paradox 1:
The more you protect your force, the less secure you are
Paradox 2:
The more force you use, the less effective you are
Paradox 3:
The more successful counterinsurgency is, the less force can be used
Paradox 4:
Sometimes doing nothing is the best reaction
Paradox 5:
The best weapons for counterinsurgency do not shoot
Paradox 6:
Native en ies doing something tolerably better than occupiers doing it well
Paradox 7:
If a tactic works this week, it will not work next week
Paradox 8:
Tactical success guarantees nothing
Paradox 9:
Most important decisions are not made by generals

Israel never had a Vietnam to learn these lessons, aside from the disasterous but brief incursion into Lebannon in 2006.

[RandomGuy]

Conservatives just can't wrap their heads around #4 in this case.

Here is an interesting thought exercise for the group here:

What would happen if Israel had simply put a huge sustained effort into publicity showing 100% of the damage done by the Hamas rocket attacks?

[DarkReign]

Everything you ever wanted to know about Israel, but were afraid to ask. Thanks for the in depth education on what's going on in the State of Israel! (so you don't take that as a compliment, I'll let you know that it's well deserved sarcasm).
What a joke of an explanation for characterizing Israel as a pissant Country
Educate yourself on the Country, and quit rambling with silly, unfounded generalizations (if you don't want to put in much effort, start off with something simple, such as wikipedia), and you may not come across as being so ignorant.

Kiss my ass, troll. Follow someone else around.

Israel IS a piss-ant country. How about you take your religious blinders off for half a second and look at the situation from a secular persepective for once in your life of God.

You dont think it is? Thats fine, BJ. As someone else says on this forum, we trade in opinions. My opinion says Israel doesnt mean to the US. Your opinion says otherwise. That doesnt make you right, that gives you an opinion.

More nonsense (surprise). Take away your history and your resources, and what exactly are you? I'll save you some time trying to formulate an educated answer to the question, and tell you that you would be nothing.

What kind of dumb logic is that? Am I ing country? Do I receive aid from anyone? Rhetorical questions, BJ.

Take away my history and my resources, and I'll still be alive in 6 months.

If the US takes Israels funding, IMO, they'd be invaded from all sides in less than a year with no means to fund their military (unless Shasta is right and the Russians swoop in to suddenly give a , but I highly doubt that and certainly not to the degree the US financially floats them thru existence).

You think they would survive. Pray tell, what about the nation-state of Israel, throughout its very long history, tells you BJ, that it would exist?

It wouldnt be the first time they have been crushed underfoot and erased from the area. They just so happened to be given the land back by the British.

It only took the oh-so-independant Jews 1800+ years to regain the land God promised them.

I can totally see the historical context you stand upon to make such bold claims. Thats sarcasm, BJ.

(you must be one uva friend).

IDK, guess youd have to ask my friends.

Much of our welfare class have nothing to offer in return for what they get, and are basically receivers only. Should we disparage them and abandon them too, as you say we should Israel?

Are those welfare recipients US Citizens? Is Israel the 51st state?

And no, I'm not in the "business" of buying friends, but I help my friends out whenever they ask to the fullest extent of my abilities and resources.

Thats funny, so do I. Only the abilities and resources I use arent funded by the taxing of others. When I help friends, I need only ask myself. The money has no strings attached, no interest from any outsider and is completely mine and mine alone to give.

When I give aid of any sort, lobbyists arent needed around the clock to continue the flow of money. Special Interest groups arent required on a 24 hour cycle for fear of said aid being cut-off.

Also, my money doesnt go toward religiously fueled interests in a veiled attempt to keep the war machine turning.

Which is my comparing me to Israel is about the most asinine analogy I have ever read.

Funny it came from you, BJ, seeing as youre the smartest, most enlightened person you know. Small world, yeah?

[Extra Stout]

Israel never had a Vietnam to learn these lessons, aside from the disasterous but brief incursion into Lebannon in 2006.

The goal of an insurgent movement is to get the occupiers to give up and leave. In a war like Vietnam or Iraq, or even Lebanon, the occupier wants to leave anyway once the objectives are met. The occupation eventually ends. The key omission in treating the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as an insurgency like Vietnam, or Lebanon, or Iraq, is that all of Israel is considered occupied territory by the other side. The only way the occupation ever ends is if Israel ceases to exist.

[RandomGuy]

The goal of an insurgent movement is to get the occupiers to give up and leave. In a war like Vietnam or Iraq, or even Lebanon, the occupier wants to leave anyway once the objectives are met. The occupation eventually ends. The key omission in treating the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as an insurgency like Vietnam, or Lebanon, or Iraq, is that all of Israel is considered occupied territory by the other side. The only way the occupation ever ends is if Israel ceases to exist.

Yup.

Paradoxical ain't it?

That is partly why this is such an intractible conflict.

It isn't exactly like any past conflict, but I think many of the same principles apply, although at this point the Israelis have so damaged their position that one has to wonder if the situation can be salvaged in any case.

[sook]

Everything you ever wanted to know about Israel, but were afraid to ask. Thanks for the in depth education on what's going on in the State of Israel! (so you don't take that as a compliment, I'll let you know that it's well deserved sarcasm).
What a joke of an explanation for characterizing Israel as a pissant Country
Educate yourself on the Country, and quit rambling with silly, unfounded generalizations (if you don't want to put in much effort, start off with something simple, such as wikipedia), and you may not come across as being so ignorant.


More nonsense (surprise). Take away your history and your resources, and what exactly are you? I'll save you some time trying to formulate an educated answer to the question, and tell you that you would be nothing.





Again, you're definition of friendship is based on reciprocity, that is, if one Party has nothing to offer in the way of material substance, then they cannot and should not be a friend (you must be one uva friend).

Much of our welfare class have nothing to offer in return for what they get, and are basically receivers only. Should we disparage them and abandon them too, as you say we should Israel?

And no, I'm not in the "business" of buying friends, but I help my friends out whenever they ask to the fullest extent of my abilities and resources.

lol! The stupidity in this post was beyond hilarity, you're comparing our welfare citizens to Israelis? Israel is an independent sovereign country you dumb , the sooner you come to realize that the sooner you will come to see how wrong you have been proven in all you're posts.

Israel is an ally.
So is mexico, Canada, and many other countries in africa. The poverty in africa is beyond belief, so why don't we spend the money we give to Israel there? Wouldn't you agree its a better place for it? I'm sure mexico isn't in too great shape either, but why don't we do all that we do to Israel, to them? Answer me this please?
I'm guessing you haven't heard of the jewish lobby in washington. The conditions in our country aren't that good, the fact that we have adopted some communistic principles tells you just how well our economy is doing. I'd rather help out all the people who are getting their homes forclosed and do something about medicare and social security.


But all of that doesn't matter to you b.c you just want to see Israel with more nukes or f-16s

[romad_20]

Me: I was baptised Catholic, but I claim to be agnostic if anything at all."

Her: Oh, well I am Christian.

Me: Uhhhh, yeah, I was baptised Catholic.

Her: Right, Im Christian.

Me: Oooook, you do know Catholicism is also a Christian religion?

Her: *smirk* Not it isnt.

Me: This conversation is over.

So I think your insight on a southern baptist has merit, for what its worth. It would seem Catholics are despised the world over these days.

Big whoop.

Funny thing, I was talking to a lady I work with the other day and I said something like "you wouldn't do that because you're a good Christian girl." and she responded "No, I'm catholic."

[DarkReign]

Funny thing, I was talking to a lady I work with the other day and I said something like "you wouldn't do that because you're a good Christian girl." and she responded "No, I'm catholic."

And here I almost took offense to a supposed Christian calling a Catholic something other than Christian. Just more evidence for me to stay away from the entire conversation....neither side gets it right, I guess.

[romad_20]

And here I almost took offense to a supposed Christian calling a Catholic something other than Christian. Just more evidence for me to stay away from the entire conversation....neither side gets it right, I guess.

Exactly. I used to get all worked up about arguing over religion, but all it does is give me an ulcer.

[Winehole23]

Ha'aretz: Senior IDF officials back a cease-fire.

Related: Dissension in the political ranks -- Olmert vs. Barak and Livni.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Because of the Holocaust and because of many other things.

You have a problem with that . . . ?

Blacks also have a special status (well deserved) because of the idiotic things whites have done to them.

Do you also have a problem with that too . . . ?

It's funny you make that comparison because that was the first thing that came to mind. It's almost analogous to what gtownspur would call "the Race Card"

[The Reckoning]

what is a Jew supposed to look like?

[sook]

Israel admits No Hamas rockets were fired during ceasefire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYhGYZxl-f8

[Shastafarian]

Israel admits No Hamas rockets were fired during ceasefire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYhGYZxl-f8

So 6 people building a tunnel into Israel is just harmless and should not be dealt with? That's what broke the ceasefire. Is it credible? I haven't heard Hamas deny it.

[sook]

So 6 people building a tunnel into Israel is just harmless and should not be dealt with? That's what broke the ceasefire. Is it credible? I haven't heard Hamas deny it.

You're absolutely right you sheep, 6 people warrants reeking havock in an entire city and killing 900 somewhat people, 250-330 being children.
ok, well whats your excuse for this?
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/15/i...phorus-s s/

The headquarters of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in the Gaza Strip was attacked today by Israeli artillery, sparking a fire which continues to burn. The compound was reportedly housing 700 civilian refugees and storehouses of increasingly scarce food aid at the time of the attack.

But perhaps even more pressing is the nature of the attack, which UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness said was hit with s s containing the incendiary agent white phosphorus. “What more stark symbolism do you need?” asked the spokesman. “You can’t put out white phosphorus with traditional methods such as fire extinguishers. You need sand. We don’t have sand.”

Though Gunness says Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak termed the attack “a grave mistake,” Prime Minister Ehud Olmert defended the attack, saying it made him sad but it was legitimate self defense. Israeli forces claimed the headquarters was being used by “militants” who were attacking the invading Israeli troops.

Israel has retroactively accused Hamas of being at the sites of several of their most serious incidents of attacking civilian targets, but has generally been light on evidence to back up those claims. In an attack on a United Nations girls’ school full of civilians last week, the Israeli military claimed to have video evidence, which later turned out to be a YouTube video over a year old from a different school in a different city. Israel has repeatedly revised their story on that attack since the incident.

The latest attack has sparked yet another international outcry against Israel for its now 20 day old war on the Gaza Strip. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon declared the spiraling civilian death toll “unbearable,” while European Union Aid Commissioner Louis Michel was “deeply shocked and dismayed to learn of this incident.”

The use of white phosphorus as a weapon of war in civilian areas is banned under the Geneva Conventions’ Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, though Israel has repeatedly denied that it is doing so. Still, rising evidence is putting that story, like so many other official stories during this war, in serious doubt.

Below is a video from CNN covering the phosphorus fires at the compound.








So they bomb a UN compound and use that stupid excuse of it having militants again? Anytime they bomb some civilian compound its the same fuciking excuse, it turns out they already lied about white phosphorus

[Shastafarian]

You're absolutely right you sheep, 6 people warrants reeking havock in an entire city and killing 900 somewhat people, 250-330 being children.

Um that's not how things happened. Think real hard about the chain of events and get back to me.

[sook]

Um that's not how things happened. Think real hard about the chain of events and get back to me.

Isreal "claims" there was being a tunnel dug, they bomb. Hamaas fires rockets, 900 people in gaza die.

You sure are great at proving how you are an ignorant dumbass aren't you?

And i don't believe it....you have an excuse for every act of terrorism Israel

carries out, yet you don't have one for my article, please, I'm in the mood to

hear some more bull come out of your mouth.

[Shastafarian]

Isreal "claims" there was being a tunnel dug, they bomb. Hamaas fires rockets, 900 people in gaza die.

You sure are great at proving how you are an ignorant dumbass aren't you?

And i don't believe it....you have an excuse for every act of terrorism Israel

carries out, yet you don't have one for my article, please, I'm in the mood to

hear some more bull come out of your mouth.

haha what is wrong with you? Your blood pressure must be through the roof.

[sook]

haha what is wrong with you? Your blood pressure must be through the roof.

Yet again, shastafarian dances around the question, but can't answer it. Nice try trying to act cool with a pic of your own, just didn't work buddy

[Shastafarian]

Yet again, shastafarian dances around the question, but can't answer it. Nice try trying to act cool with a pic of your own, just didn't work buddy

Why does it anger you that I didn't answer a question? Lay down on the couch and let it all out.