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LeBron would destroy MJ one on one even on his prime
Maybe you could have someone look it up for you.
He didn't even demolish the compe ion in his own era. Ask the Celtics. But I forgot, you're a guy who hangs more on statistical performances than on team success, which is why you're a Kobe fan.
LeBron would destroy MJ one on one even on his prime
Lebron is already better than Kobe.
Lebron would be working on his 2nd ring if he had the Lakers talent around him.
Look this debate will rage on year from year. Regardless of what we'll all say and what our opinions are they are just that. Who ing cares. My opinion I say when it's all said and done Kobe will be on par with Jordan. I believe as a player he's already surpassed MJ. Now you can throw stats and rings all you want, that's not what I'm argueing about. Timing is everything in life.....
Exactly, and unlike PJ, Pop has a pair to admit the truth and give the opposition credit.
PJ is a and no wonder every broadcasting crew hardly give him any credit. BTW even Mark Ivaroni would have 800+ wins if he had MJ, Scottie, Shaq & Kobe.
Laker fans have no business in this debate because they are biased. Same thing for Cav fans.
you cannot compare either KObe or Lebron with MJ right now. Dude won 3 rings, took 1 year off to play baseball, came back and won 3 more. there is no comparison and noone should be named along with MJ inthe same sentence.
Me as a neutral fan, see Lebron as better overall and I would pick him ahead of Kobe even if both were the same age. Kobe is no slouch but he is just not better than Lebron plain and simple.
Kobe is the greatest current human basketball player. Lebron is a genetically engineered monster.
I would never compare LeBron to MJ. Not only do I not think he's as good as MJ, he simply isn't the same type of player in terms of size, position, and skill set.
LeBron reminds me a lot more of Magic Johnson than MJ. Same kind of versatility, court vision, positive leadership, and broke-ass jump shot.
Pull your head out of Kobe's ass and smell the fresh air around you for once.
At the moment, even Shaq & Duncan >>>>> Kobe, and unless Kobe leads his team to 3 championships, i'll rest my case.
MJ would school Kobe 99 times out of 100.
Lebron like Magic? I don't see that. To me they have totally different types of games. Magic was a classic PG, passing first, shooting second. Lebron is more like a classic SG (although in the body of a power forward). Lebron is all about slashing or powering his way to the bucket first, shooting a jump shot second, and passing third. Not that there's anything wrong with that, and he has very respectable stats for assists, so he's not a ball-hog. Lebron is also known for his hops, on both ends of the court, and I don't think Magic could dunk or block a shot (could he?).
One way in which they are similar is that Magic was the size of a forward but played PG, and Lebron is the size of a PF but plays SG or SF. But I don't think there's anyone who's ever been like Magic, and nobody really like Lebron.
One player by his lonesome cannot win championships.
It takes a team. Some players never get the chance to be surrounded by other great players and a good coach. That's all about timing and luck and has almost nothing to do with an individual's skill level. So if we're going to compare players I think the "rings" argument really needs to be toned down as that has FAR more to do with things external to what an individual player can control.
So what about things a player CAN control? Like being up 20+ pts in an NBA Finals game and not closing the deal??
then compare lebrons stats and accomplishments to kobe's. HE is nowhere close.......
You can't talk . The Lakers owned you 4-1.
Dude, what part of my post don't you get....I'm not talking about team accomplishments like winning the championship.....I'm talking based on talent and skills where I see Kobe is on the same ground overall, with both players exceeding each other, see Kobe better shooter, Jordan better finisher (bigger hands etc).Pull your head out of Kobe's ass and smell the fresh air around you for once.
At the moment, even Shaq & Duncan >>>>> Kobe, and unless Kobe leads his team to 3 championships, i'll rest my case.
MJ would school Kobe 99 times out of 100.
Oh and the Lebron thing is funny....look up Kobe's stats when he was the same age as Lebron at 24.
In terms of pure skill and talent I think Kobe is definitely on par with MJ. He can definitely be mentioned in the same sentence.
What I love about Kobe is that he is truly becoming a better player with age. He's playing the best basketball of his career at 30.
when you have a guy that can give you a triple double every night, which Kobe can't, you normally don't have to depend on him to hit a game winning shot. Wheras the Cavs play defense, and rarley have to have Lebron hit a game winning shot, the Lakers don't, which is why Kobe needs to hit so many
Lebron shouldn't be mentioned with MJ and Kobe. His game is completely different IMHO.
Who is mentioning him with them? You, the guy that made the thread about it.
Lebron and Kobe are different- but they are still both great. If you polled the NBA GM's and told them you could start a team with either Lebron or Kobe, I'm sure it would be close to a 50/50 vote.
I mean argue what you want, the both of them have the same number of rings when they are the leaders of their teams. They are different, but just being able to hit shots with a minute left doesn't make you better. If we were judging who is the best NBA player as to who hits the most clutch shots, Robert Horry would be the best player in NBA history. The game is 48 minutes, and baskets in the first quarter count the same as ones in the 4th.
Since when are assists directly related to judging if a player is a ball hog or not?
You're gonna disagree here but LeBron's game seems more like MJ's than Kobe's. Neither one plays as much like MJ as Dwayne Wade (I'm not saying he's better than Kobe so don't flip out Lakaluva, just saying he's more similar to MJ).
its funny lakerfans hold on to the "skills and talent" BS to compare Kobe to Jordan. 2 things that really can't be measured
The only FACT is that Jordan completely owned the league in his championship years. The same cannot be said about Kobe in any of his years.
He doesn't even have a championship without Shaq's help for christsakes! how delusional can lakerfan be???? its pathetic
Ok I normally ignore these posts because many are biased for Kobe and many are against him in many online forums ...let me make some valid rebuttals to many uninformed biased statements made here and on Lakersground, ESPN etc.
Lebron is physically better so he is the better player-
In the open court with the ball in his hands he is a force of nature and no one in the game is better ...ever..agreed. So if that makes him better than Kobe ...Shaq is better than Duncan and also So is Dwight Howard... never mind the les or the MVP's Dwight Howard is better than Timmy because when he gets the ball down low he can not be stopped?...wrong. See how silly this reasoning is. Duncan is the Kobe of PF's ...he is not as athletic as he once was but fundamentals, skill etc. it's NOT even close and no one in their right mind would take Howard over Duncan RIGHT NOW if they are trying to win a le.
Next argument: Stats favor Lebron now and Mj over Kobe all-time.
Mj has best scoring average etc. Lebron's numbers this season are ridiculous ...BUT because Kobe and MJ started so early they will beat a lot of Mj's numbers because they started younger ...does that make them better than MJ? Or is stats are all that matter than Karl Malone/Barkley are the greatest power forwards because rebounds and scoring numbers are greater than Tim's? No. Robinson was an eveb better stat guy than Duncan ...but who was the better all-around and clutch player? Duncan. Im not sayong Lebron can not be clutch ...when he is hitting his 3 he is unstoppable ...but how often is that? Kobe has proven even when not playing well he can kill you with late game 3's lasy night Lebron was gaurded 1 on1 with the game on the line with defender backing off begging him to shoot ...who would of ever played MJ or Kobe that way? Who would play Manu that way for that matter?!
les and Finals MVP's are all that matter so MJ is way better than Kobe. Best argument and to be honest I dont diasgree with this one entirely but let me say this ...
Shaq has as many les and Finals MVP's as Tim Duncan ...but who has done MORE for ALL four of his les? Shaq was dominant force yet but when you consider clutch shooting, pnr defense, Ft shooting, etc. Is not Tim Duncan a better player than Shaq?
I feel MJ is the standard and Kobe is not to distant second ...LBJ has the POTENTIAL to be better than them both but he is far from that yet. Physicall he is even better than MJ. But fundamentals wise and overall he is 3rd.
I also feel Duncan is better than Shaq like i have said here many times as dominat as Shaq was inside I wanted to trade Duncan for Shaq since his rookie year in the NBA ...(i was not as impressed with Tim in College Rasheed and Camby used to bust his ass) Tim is the best center/power forward since Kareem and since the spurs play small so much i consider him a center and when you compare him to Shaq he comes out on top ...
Howard mmay be better someday but I dont think so ...he will be dominant physically but his skill-set is not there and even though he will improve doubt his foot-work will ever be in Tim's class ...and I dount LBJ's jumper will be in Mj's or Kobe's class ...
Put Jordan on the Lakers last year. Do they lose to the Celtics? No freaking way.
There's absolutely no way in Jordan would let himself get outperformed by Paul frickin Pierce.
Absolutely. They lose in much the same manner, maybe it takes 7 games but they still lose.
The Laker's problem last season had to do with rebounding, physicality, and protecting the paint. Jordan doesn't really help you in any of those areas.
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