Tank 2008-09

[ChumpDumper]

Why did you wait for a loss to bump this?

Why didn't you bump this after the win against the Lakers?

You're a foulweather fan.

[rascal]

First, if we were to lose every game from here on out, which is not really possible unless we tried to lose those games, we would still not be sure to get a player that would 1) necessarily fit our needs, i.e. another bigman that can rebound, block shots, and score outside the paint. We have already won too many games to effectively tank.

Second, the Jazz are not contending. Maybe you don't keep up with the news, but they are having major injury problems that make them a big question mark.

New Orleans? They are not looking like they improved from last year. Paul is playing great, but I think they have not proven they are in a different class than the Spurs. If we are playing as well as we have so far, and if Manu continues to recover, we are fine against them.

Lakers: Well, you have to give them that they are very deep, great scorers and they CAN turn up the defensive intensity to a great degree. But I"m not sold on them being clutch outside of Kobe, and if we can just survive their inside scoring, we should be ok. Realistically, I consider us significant underdogs, but we have the best chance in the west.

We do have talent on this roster outside of the big 3.

Bonner, Mason and Hill are all playing well this year. Bruce has finally started to show his age, but we have guys coming in next year anyway. Ian should be ready to try again next year from his fluke injuries. Ian, Hairston, Gist, and free agency?

Tanking makes sense when you have NO chance, and I don't think most Spurs fans, much less the coach, think that is the case. Each year, probably 80% of the teams have NO chance to win; should they all be tanking? Maybe the Spurs are now underdogs, but underdogs do sometimes win it (see Spurs 03, 05).

If you are close, you are foolish to just blow it up. And that is what it would take to legitimately "tank." We would have to sell off Manu, Parker, and Probably Mason in order to start actually losing enough to get into the lottery.

Sorry, but this is just idiotic.

Great post. The Spurs will make the playoffs.

This thread was made early in the season when the Spurs looked like they would put themselves in a big hole with the injuries to Manu and Parker but the Spurs won enough games with those 2 out that they will finish somewhere in the middle of the playoff seeding.


I understand Ghost's logic that the best players the Spurs get are from the draft and having a lottery pick gives them a great chance to add a very good player this summer that they would not otherwise have. Since they are not likely to win it all this year as the roster stands now it would be better for the franchise's future to land a top lottery draft pick.

[Ghost Writer]

Exactly, rascal.

This thread was started to bring light to the fact that the front office has done little or nothing to enhance the team's chances to win les in the Duncan era, as evidenced by the team's early futility without Manu and Parker and the fact that the Spurs' best players come via the draft.

My desperation comes from my lack of confidence in the front office to add a significant upgrade through a trade or free agent signing.

This team's M.O. is to win a lottery, get lucky with a deep pick and surround the best players with veterans and waiver wire players that nobody else wants.

It's frustrating, because while the "fans" here are grateful for four les, I lament at least 3 other les that there is no good reason why the Spurs should have lost with the slightest upgrade in team talent.

[Ghost Writer.]

The funny thing is that after looking at my post and logic, it really doesn't make much sense. The Spurs went out picked up one of the best FA's in the market this summer and drafted a solid player that fits one of their needs. We didn't know it at the time, but now compared to the others the Spurs' front office got a solid player for a fair price. Also, I guess my logic was a little flawed when I said that this team could have won 3 more les with a better front office. I mean really - what other front office could have done better. Could they have pulled off 7 les in 10 years with a mid-market team? That really does sound pretty ridiculous in retrospect.


"It ain't trickin' if ya got it."

[Illusionarist]

Well unfortunately i agree that this year it does not seem that we are getting another championship. However like you said no good prospects that year. Certainly we will have to tank one of the following years to renew the team and find a teammate for Tony and Manu(as long as he plays). We have to find a new BIG PLAYER!!! so that we can continue our dynasty. After all we do not to become old and doomed like Celtiks.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Not unless there are significant injuries to the Lakers and Hornets and I'll even throw the Jazz in there.

Nope, I'm pretty sure we have a chance.

[SequSpur]

oberto, bonner, thomas, croshere...what a waste of fukin time...

spurs are gonna get ass spanked on this road trip.

late..

[Ghost Writer]

Well unfortunately i agree that this year it does not seem that we are getting another championship. However like you said no good prospects that year. Certainly we will have to tank one of the following years to renew the team and find a teammate for Tony and Manu(as long as he plays). We have to find a new BIG PLAYER!!! so that we can continue our dynasty. After all we do not to become old and doomed like Celtiks.

Finally, a fan with a healthy sense of his team and history.

The rest of you would prefer to see Duncan labor heavily in his waning years, much like an old donkey with owners who keep piling more bricks on his back.

I'd prefer NOT to watch the Spurs degrade to also-ran status, watch Duncan retire, suffer through Pop knows how many losing seasons, just to become like the Milwaukee Bucks.




P.S.

Bet yo' @ss Pop retires when Duncan does.

[exstatic]

P.S.

Bet yo' @ss Pop retires when Duncan does.

Great prediction, Nostra Dumbass, especially when Pop's been quoted on numerous occasions as saying he's going to do just that.

[Ghost Writer]

Great prediction, Nostra Dumbass, especially when Pop's been quoted on numerous occasions as saying he's going to do just that.

It was less a prediction and more of a declaration.

Save the juvenile insults for your Baseline Bums. You're addressing someone with an intellect.

If he had b@lls, he'd see what coaching is like without the best power forward in the game.



P.S.

Put your thunder sticks down for a second and see if my fears for the team's immediate future might actually be what you think when the beer buzz has faded and your alone with your Tony Parker bobblehead doll.

You know I'm right.

[ducks]

tp might be able to bring in a superstar duncan failed to convince a superstar fa to sign and play

[ducks]

bosh and tp would = le without duncan in 4 years

[Ghost Writer]

tp might be able to bring in a superstar duncan failed to convince a superstar fa to sign and play

Oh, yeah, because a shoot-first Frenchie PG is going to be a bigger draw than the greatest power forward ever.

Is Tony going to promise said free agent that he can bang Eva, too?


Get real.

We're getting worse until Duncan retires. Then we'll be terrible for a number of year unless lightning strikes a third time.

[benefactor]

You're addressing someone with an intellect.

[ducks]

that is what every one said when david robinson retired to years before he retired

[timvp]

I'm convinced GW gets an email alert when the Spurs lose by 20+ points so he can come and bump his threads.

[ducks]

with the economy the way it is
will the gms still pay those big bloated contracts to players that do not deserve the max

[spursfaninla]

Man, what a fall. Back in the day, you could really bring some arguments. But now? I just explained that to "tank" is not only impossible this year, but would be unlikely to do because the Spurs have such a specific need; a big with defense and outside shooting skills. You carry on, oblivious, as if your premise stands.

Further, the Spurs added two quality pieces this year, and you want to throw away one of Duncan's last few quality years for the CHANCE at a lottery pick that would take 2-3 years to become a key piece?

Ungrateful. I stand on the fact that Spurs fans should not act like we deserve championships, but should feel lucky to have had them. 90% of the league has talented teams that never went as far, and most never will. Many teams had better records the last 10 years than the spurs, and lost. Should their fans feel cheated?

Should we have done what Detroit did? Panic? Trade a key piece because you are not leading the league in wins?

good idea here, keep them coming.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm convinced GW gets an email alert when the Spurs lose by 20+ points so he can come and bump his threads.

Yeah, and his intellect neglects the fact that it was clearly a letdown game on and a bogey matchup almost as big as the Bucks (but that we're unlikely to ever see them in the Finals, so WGAF!).

[spursfaninla]

oh wait, you were the guy who said we should trade for a baller right? Never mind.

[Ghost Writer]

Yeah, and his intellect neglects the fact that it was clearly a letdown game on and a bogey matchup almost as big as the Bucks (but that we're unlikely to ever see them in the Finals, so WGAF!).

If you and timvp are down fondling each other, why don't you use your hands to type something that makes sense?

I don't have the will nor the desire to burden you people with how I really feel about the state of the Spurs every day like in the past.

My early 30s and a baby boy have shifted priorities and mellowed me a bit.

I don't want to make anyone's fan experience miserable.

Basically, I come on the board when either something really exciting happens or I get p1ssed off so bad that I need to vent.

This season has been like a slow, tortured attrition where you know the outcome months before it happens.

Our team simply is not as viable anymore... even at 100% healthy.

Our direct compe ors are younger, hungrier and more talented across their rotations.

That's why I lament all the missed opportunities to win additional les while the Big Three were all in their primes and relatively injury-free.

[Ghost Writer]

oh wait, you were the guy who said we should trade for a baller right? Never mind.

And you're the guy who still pines for Stephen Jackson and now currently plays with himself while staring at Roger Mason's photo in the Spurs yearbook.

Yeah, I'd like to bring in another "baller" rather than the old 6'10 white stiff of the day.

Do you San Antonioans realize we elected a Black president?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Do you San Antonioans realize we elected a Black president?

Just to add to facts that have no relation at all to what the topic is, I had a Hot n y chicken sandwich, yogurt, and rocky road ice cream for dinner.

[benefactor]

Just to add to facts that have no relation at all to what the topic is, I had a Hot n y chicken sandwich, yogurt, and rocky road ice cream for dinner.

I ate at Carmona's...and excellent Tex Mex place between Tyler and Dallas on I-20.