Trading Shaq brightened future for Lakers

[TheMACHINE]

Reading comprehension?

My stance is that Shaq was the better and more important player during the three-peat. Despite what bandwagon Laker Fan claims.

no sherlock.

[Chris]

Our doesn't stink.

[timvp]

no sherlock.

Tell that to your brethren.

[Lakers_55]

Pau Gasol Traded To Lakers For Nothing

Considering that I started the thread, I know that the le wasn't an accident . . .

Well, I made it to page 2 of your thread and didn't see a thing about collusion. Why didn't you claim that in initial post, that would have riled up the local Spurs faithful. I believe the collusion part started when Pop challenged it, but I could be wrong, I am not going to read 11 pages of your thread to find out. It was in the Spurs section anyway. I searched this forum with Gasol in le and found an earlier thread, no collusion cries at all:

Lakers Bag Gasol?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ighlight=gasol

So, whatever, it wasn't collusion. Jerry West was long gone and has stated he had nothing to do wth it publicly. Other teams were after him as well and over a month ahead of the trade...

This is from my other post:

Here's a thread about a rumor of a Gasol trade in December of 2007 to the Bulls. Note post #10.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ighlight=gasol

I remember seeing somewhere Phoenix was looking to trade for him a year ago as well, can't say who they would have given up. Let's just put the trade on the head of the Memphis GM, and see how the pieces he got fall into play as they rebuild. There have been far worse GM deals. Back in 1980, the Warriors traded Robert Parish and a #1 draft pick to the Celtics for a center named Joe Barry Carroll. Celtics used the draft selection to choose Kevin McHale. I think most of the discussion I have seen is targeted against the Lakers because they are the enemy to most people. That is to be expectd here at SpursTalk, and as I said, this is where I want to be involved.

[TheMACHINE]

Tell that to your brethren.

I dont think any lakers fans thinks Kobe was greater Shaq when we were winning rings...but most fans (except IronMex) believe that trading Shaq was the right thing to do...whether it was right to trade him for Odom, butler and grant is a different story.

Regardless, Lakers have been doing great rebuidling whether lucky or not.

[timvp]

Well, I made it to page 2 of your thread and didn't see a thing about collusion. Why didn't you claim that in initial post, that would have riled up the local Spurs faithful.

Check out the le. Trading an All-Star level player for nothing = collusion.

I searched this forum with Gasol in le and found an earlier thread, no collusion cries at all:

The thread I made was earlier. Check the times.

So, whatever, it wasn't collusion. Jerry West was long gone and has stated he had nothing to do wth it publicly.

If he did have something to do with it, do you really think he'd come out and publicly say so?

[DrHouse]

Reading comprehension?

My stance is that Shaq was the better and more important player during the three-peat. Despite what bandwagon Laker Fan claims.

And what the does that have to do with this thread idiot? Go read the OP.

Mother er coming in here talking about reading comprehension doesn't even bother to read the ing OP.

[ElNono]

Nobody cares about Shaq anymore. He's fat, washed up, and not relevant to anything the Lakers are doing right now. Had he stayed I truly believe LAL would be worse for the wear and whatever drama you saw in '04 would look like a giant Kumbaya session in comparison. The Lakers made the right move in letting him go when they did. They made the wrong move in not getting Dwayne Wade out of the deal.

He was so washed up that he carried the Heat to an NBA championship. Great take.

[timvp]

I dont think any lakers fans thinks Kobe was greater Shaq when we were winning rings...

Tell that to the future Cav Fan, for one:

Shaq and Kobe were equal parts to the team in terms of importance.

And there were more in the various threads where Laker Fan claims Kobe > MJ.

[timvp]

And what the does that have to do with this thread idiot? Go read the OP.

Mother er coming in here talking about reading comprehension doesn't even bother to read the ing OP.

We be on page three now. You think every reply in this thread is based off the OP? Do you know how the internets work?

[Lakers_55]

Check out the le. Trading an All-Star level player for nothing = collusion.

I beg to differ if you please.
Nothing = Your Opinon. You also left Marc Gasol out of the post. Grizzlies dumped cap space, got prospects, draft picks, and an expiring contract. Since Gasol was headed out anyway they liked what they got, they took it. The future will tell more if it was for nothing or something.
Collusion = Illegal action. Quite a difference.

The thread I made was earlier. Check the times.

by one minute! Your link sends you to a page where I was not logged in, default time places it nearly 3 hours later. I stand corrected.
02-01-2008, 11:49 AM vs. 02-01-2008, 11:48 AM

If he did have something to do with it, do you really think he'd come out and publicly say so?

I believe Jerry West to be a man of integrity. He was a shrewd GM and fleeced a few other teams in his time, but they were all legal. Burden is on all the conspiracy theorists to prove otherwise, that collusion occured. Conjecture won't get a conviction in a court of law, you need proof.

[anakha]

I beg to differ if you please.
Nothing = Your Opinon. You also left Marc Gasol out of the post. Grizzlies dumped cap space, got prospects, draft picks, and an expiring contract. Since Gasol was headed out anyway they liked what they got, they took it. The future will tell more if it was for nothing or something.
Collusion = Illegal action. Quite a difference.

If specific references to collusion are what you're looking for, scroll down the first page of timvp's thread.

Granted, it wasn't a Spurs fan who said it, but...

[TheMACHINE]

He was so washed up that he carried the Heat to an NBA championship. Great take.

it was a great take. Miami got a ring..where are they now? so if Shaq gave Lakers one more ring, and Kobe left the Lakers...you think we'll be able to rebuild around shaq and his "new" contract. Anyways...you'd be an idiot to chose Shaq over Kobe at 2005.

[Lakers_55]

If specific references to collusion are what you're looking for, scroll down the first page of timvp's thread.

Granted, it wasn't a Spurs fan who said it, but...

Thanks, but I'll pass. All I know is it took Popovich to question it publicly before the real conspiracy cries took place and frequently. Or, when the Lakers started winning, or both... Gee, I said that already.

[DrHouse]

it was a great take. Miami got a ring..where are they now? so if Shaq gave Lakers one more ring, and Kobe left the Lakers...you think we'll be able to rebuild around shaq and his "new" contract. Anyways...you'd be an idiot to chose Shaq over Kobe at 2005.

They are idiots. Hence the 3 pages.

[cobbler]

Considering the post you quoted was in response to a Laker fan's statement that that person later admitted to messing up on...

I only admitted messing up on assuming timvp was a Suns fan. Other than that the fact are the facts. I had previously been involved in a thread where Suns fans where whining about collusion as well stating we traded a couple of avg players for an all star...much the same as they did for JRich. Of course...their relpies were they got lucky but in our case it was collusion. They also belive the lottery was fixed to get you guys timmy. It's funny how the conspiricy theories are only true if for the ones that don't include your team.

Personally, I think its all hogwash and sour grapes.

[cobbler]

He was so washed up that he carried the Heat to an NBA championship. Great take.

Are you kidding me? He was a servicable center at best. Wade carried them through the playoffs and was MVP of the finals in a LANDSLIDE. Shaq wasnt even a consideration. ANd then the next year when Wade got hurt... the guy you say carried the team... carried them to the worst record in the NBA halfway through the season then DEMANDED to be traded and then bashed teamates, coach, and organization.

Just has he did with the Lakers and Magic before that.

Funny how people distort the facts.

[anakha]

I only admitted messing up on assuming timvp was a Suns fan. Other than that the fact are the facts.

No big deal - I was just poking fun at the fact that your fellow Laker fan was insulting one of the admins in his zeal to back up a statement that had flaws in it to begin with.

And IMO, the article was reaching in implying that the Lakers were doing a bang-up job of rebuilding when most of Kupchak's moves were lateral ones at best, until the Gasol opportunity fell in his lap.

[cobbler]

January 15, 1965: San Francisco Warriors trade Wilt Chamberlain to Philadelphia 76ers for Paul Neumann, Connie Dierking, and Lee Shaffer

June 9, 1980: Golden State Warriors trade Robert Parish and No. 3 pick (Kevin McHale) to Boston Celtics for Nos. 1 and 13 picks (Joe Barry Carroll and Rickey Brown)

June 16, 1975: Milwaukee Bucks trade Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Walt Wesley to L.A. Lakers for Elmore Smith, Junior Bridgeman, Brian Winters, and Dave Meyers

July 14, 2004: L.A. Lakers trade Shaquille O’Neal to Miami Heat for Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, and a future first-round draft pick

September 15, 1982: Houston Rockets trade Moses Malone to Philadelphia 76ers for Caldwell Jones and a 1983 first-round draft choice

April 20, 1970: Cincinnati Royals trade Oscar Robertson to Milwaukee Bucks for Flynn Robinson and Charlie Paulk

June 24, 1998: Milwaukee Bucks trade draft rights to Dirk Nowitzki and Pat Garrity to Dallas Mavericks for draft rights to Robert Traylor

September 1, 2000: Portland Trail Blazers trade Jermaine O’Neal and Joe Kleine to Indiana Pacers for Dale Davis

April 30, 1956: St. Louis Hawks trade draft rights to Bill Russell to Boston Celtics for Ed Macauley and Cliff Hagan

July 17, 1992: Philadelphia 76ers trade Charles Barkley to Phoenix Suns for Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry, and Andrew Lang

June 27, 1987: Seattle SuperSonics trade draft rights to Scottie Pippen to Chicago Bulls for draft rights to Olden Polynice and future draft implications

June 27, 1983: Phoenix Suns trade Dennis Johnson to Boston Celtics for Rick Robey

February 14, 1995: Portland Trail Blazers trade Clyde Drexler and Tracy Murray to Houston Rockets for Otis Thorpe

June 27, 2001: Houston Rockets trade draft rights to Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, and Brandon Armstrong to New Jersey Nets for draft rights to Eddie Griffi

etc etc etc....

History is riddled with lopsided trades... The only time you hear collusion is when you have insecure whiney little babies who just came upon the realization that their championship years are OVER!

[cobbler]

No big deal - I was just poking fun at the fact that your fellow Laker fan was insulting one of the admins in his zeal to back up a statement that had flaws in it to begin with.

And IMO, the article was reaching in implying that the Lakers were doing a bang-up job of rebuilding when most of Kupchak's moves were lateral ones at best, until the Gasol opportunity fell in his lap.

No prob. Actually, although I agree with you that most of Mitch's trades were lateral in nature, he has done pretty well drafting players in the middle rounds that have produced well for us. Didn't do so bad with the Cook and Evans for Ariza trade either. No doubt we lucked out on the Gasol trade, but the collusion accusations are absurd. Memphis wanted to dump salary and build using the Portland philosphy and they tool the largest expiring salary on the market along with some pretty good prospects. I wouldnt mind having Marc Gasol back!

[DrHouse]

The Lakers have never really needed draft picks to rebuild.

They just keep taking advantage of stupid ass GM's.

[anakha]

The Lakers have never really needed draft picks to rebuild.

Kinda hard to make that argument when Bynum's been at the core of the rebuilding plan until Memphis had a collective brainfart.

[DrHouse]

Kinda hard to make that argument when Bynum's been at the core of the rebuilding plan until Memphis had a collective brainfart.

Oh I didn't know Andrew Bynum was a franchise player on the Lakers right now.

Oh that's right, he's not. Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol are. Both of which were acquired via trades with dumbass GM's.

, stop drinking the ing tap water in your back water city. ing incestual inbred hicks keep breeding 'em dumber and dumber.

[baseline bum]

Oh I didn't know Andrew Bynum was a franchise player on the Lakers right now.

Oh that's right, he's not. Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol are. Both of which were acquired via trades with dumbass GM's.

, stop drinking the ing tap water in your back water city. ing incestual inbred hicks keep breeding 'em dumber and dumber.

LMAO. You ing re s were pegging Bynum as the next Shaq all summer.

[DrHouse]

LMAO. You ing re s were pegging Bynum as the next Shaq all summer.

No. You were.

We've said all along all Bynum has to do is get boards and block shots. I had hopes he could do just that but lately his fat ass seems more concerned with his midrange J.