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    this is a VERY disturbing trend, and Pop better put an end to this.

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    Absolutely. And when those 3-pt shots are off, a team must do something else to create easier shots for itself. Like get closer to the basket. My concern is that the Spurs players have a tendency to continue "hoisting up" shots from the 3-pt line - even when they are cold.
    Thats because Pop allows it. And thats what I call boring. When you have 1 or 2 guys launching 3s it aint so bad. But when half your roster launches 3s and noone is hitting. Very, Very boring.

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    LOL..Brad Miller?! he's one of the softest big men in the NBA..what would he bring? he's a jump shooter, which is what you complained about..

    there's NOTHING wrong with shooting a lot..they're open shots for the most part..our points in the paint ranking is on the same pace as it's been for years..everybody knows we're more aggressive in the playoffs..

    we don't have a problem on offense..it's all about the D..
    Disagreed. Even Pop will tell you our offense isnt very good. We have to settle of jump shots long or short, because other the TP we dont have anyone who can make a layup.

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    The way this team is built, it's going to shoot a lot of threes. And thankfully, it has the ability to shoot for a high percentage.

    I've seen some Spurs fans say that want RMJ to drive more ... but I don't really agree. He doesn't have much of a penetration game and it's been a low percentage play this season. He gets stripped a lot and isn't that good of a finisher. I'd much rather him shoot the three or take a dribble in and shoot the ~18 footer.

    Bonner is pretty much the same story. Although he rarely takes the ball to the rim -- he instead usually drives in to pass. I'd like to see him take that 10-12 footer that he shoots well off the dribble.

    Finley I either like him shooting the three or shooting off the curl following down screens. I don't like him shooting off the dribble. He'll make it sometimes but usually not. Plus when he misses it, he loses confidence in the rest of his game right away. Plus he's actually damn good off the curl so I'd like it best if he just stuck with that.

    Bowen like always should stick to the corner three. Although I gotta say that his running left handed layup has been pretty darn effective this season. Not a bad add to the ol' repertoire for a 37-year-old.

    It seems like Ginobili is settling for more threes but he's mixing up driving and perimeter shots almost exactly at the same rate as he did last season. The difference is he's not shooting the three at such a high percentage so his missed threes stand out more. I'm reasonably happy with Ginobili's shot selection and I expect him to mix up even more drives once he gets healthy. He's finishing at a great clip, his last step is to drive with a bit more power so that he can create more contact.

    Parker is also mixing it up at almost the exact same rate as last season. That said, I'd like him driving to the basket even more. I know whiny Spurs fans say they don't like him "forcing shots when over bigmen" or whatever the complaint is but that's what TP has to do. If he only took open layups, he'd average about eight points per game. I'd like him to drive more, even if he has to force the action. Even if he misses, it allows Duncan to hit the offensive boards and it also sucks in the defense. Not to mention that it's hard for the opposition to run after a missed or blocked layup.

    Duncan is shooting more jumpers this season and he's shooting them at a good clip. It's a good addition to his game and could go a long ways toward prolonging his career. He sometimes gets perimeter shot happy but I can live with it knowing it's limiting the wear and tear on his body. And when it comes down to it in the meat playoffs, I'm confident he'll go to his bread and butter post game.

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    I agree that the Spurs should be going to the basket more instead of settling for 3 pts. I've never been a huge 3 pt. shot guy! I believe that shot is fools gold. I know...it is a part of the Spurs arsenal and that won't change.

    But....if you live by the 3, you can die by the 3.

    The Spurs have some guys that can get to the basket (TP, Manu, Mason, and Hill) and they need to attack the paint more!!
    There are good statistical reasons why teams and players shoot 3s:

    Assume your player takes 100 shots and compare the result between 3s and 2s:

    Forget about unrealistic shooting percentages but just for grins say the player makes 50%:

    50 3 pt shots made equal 150 pts compared to 100 pts for the mid range shots.

    ( 40%)40 3 pt shots made =120 pts vs. 80 pts at 2pt range.

    (35%)35 3 pt. shots made= 105 pts. vs. 70 pts at 2 pt. range.

    (30%) 30 3 pt shots made = 90 pts vs. 60 pts at 2 pt range.

    WELL DUH! you say. That's too obvious. So why are some pros given the green light on 3s while others are considered liabilities if they hoist up 3s.

    After all, the differential is always significantly in favor of the 3pt. shot.

    EXCEPT when you figure in the rebounds of missed shots which give the opposing team their chance to hoist up some 3s of their own.

    Thats why offensive rebounds are so important, especially for teams that rely on the 3 pt. shot. I think some statistician included the rebounding factor and figured out that a player shooting 3s has to shoot 35% or better in order for his team to come out on the plus side of the equasion.

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    Regarding the above, obviously if you shoot the sam % from 2- or 3-pt range, you make more with 3s. The question is, do you shoot that much better from closer in that it offsets the 50% bonus you get with a made 3?

    Also obviously, the best result of a possession is a dunk. If people are saying "Spurs need to get layups more than shoot 3s," then yes, that would be nice. However, of the players mentioned (Bonner, Fin, Mason, Manu), who realistically has a chance to get to the rim and finish as consistently as he shoots from deep? Only Manu. And he needs to shoot some 3s to a) recover his stroke and b) open up driving lanes.

    From 82games.com, Spurs shooting % are:

    from 3: 40% (2nd best in the league behind ORL, btw)
    2 pt JUMP SHOTS (not layups): 42%
    INSIDE shots: 61%

    As the above makes clear, since SA shoots almost the same from 3 as they do on 2-pt jump shots, they should definitely shoot lots of 3s as opposed to closer jump shots. But if Manu wants to resume his sick slashing, that's cool too.

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    a two point shooter has to shoot over 50% to almost equal a 35% 3 pt. shooter.

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    a two point shooter has to shoot over 50% to almost equal a 35% 3 pt. shooter.
    2 point shooting would also mean getting freethrows for those who penentrate the lane. Thats a HUGE factor. Jump shots are seldom gonna be taking free throws. FYI....Freethrow attempts are very important part of the game

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