all you white people need to embrace whats right

[implacable44]

She's dead, so either you're a necrophiliac or a bad liar.

I'd believe either one since you already hate America.

dung - you hate america. Which is why you voted for a Marxist and are a lib . You hate america. You hate capitalism.

[Shastafarian]

I dont harbor any hard feelings - I have no feelings at all for either of you - well anyone on this board really. no unwad your panties, girls.

An interesting comment from the person who started this thread.

[ChumpDumper]

He could start his own organization. The SVLU. The Sandy Vagina Liberation Union.

impacable and Brutalis could start a t-shirt company.

[ChumpDumper]

dung - you hate america. Which is why you voted for a Marxist and are a lib . You hate america. You hate capitalism.

I voted for McCain.

You don't even know what a marxist is.

[jack sommerset]

Meh, while I agree its a strange swipe at the majority, being a minority allows it.

Now, if Obama himself had said it, entirely different story.

But in this case, its just pandering.

You think Obama did not know anything about this prayer? He did and approved it. The biggest day of his life and he pulls that . Yup a change is a coming.

[timvp]

All your white people base are belong to us.

[The Reckoning]

All your white people base are belong to us.

classic

[ploto]

Do some of you even know about the slogans of the Civil Rights Movement in the United States?

[Eagle70ss]

Never said only the white man embraced what is wrong.

In the history of this country, there have been people of all races, all colors, all religions that have done negative things in this country to varying scales and degrees.

However, since this country was officially founded as an independent nation, white men have controlled the country from a political, social, and economic stand point. So, their errs, their wrongdoings affected more people, particularly minorities. The wrongdoings of minorities rarely affected the white man to those scales and degrees.

You can talk about the Black Panthers or la Raza and talk about what they've done. Anything any minority group or groups have done pale in comparison to mass murder of Native Americans, relocation and land acquisition from those same Native Americans, 200 years of slavery, another 100+ years of segregation, racial insensitivity, Japanese concentration camps, exclusion of voting rights, rights to education, rights to federal aid. They pale in comparison. Minority groups couldn't impact white people or the country as a whole the way white men in political power affected and impacted the lives of minorities.

Fine, what he said might have been a little off-putting, maybe even inappropriate. But, it's not inaccurate or really wrong for him to say it.

While I have no doubt these things happened, the point your missing is that nobody alive today was there for any of that stuff that happened centuries ago. And there is very very few people alive that could remember the 50's and 60's civil rights stuff. Most were children during that time. So why should every "white" person be stigmatized for all that? If anyone can even agree on what "white" means. Russian? Ukrainian? Swedish? Spanish? And if they migrate to the US they get blamed too? I guess everyone gets lumped in just because they happen to have pale skin? I was not born until '77. Is all that my fault too? I had nothing to do with it. Where does it end?

Oh and I happen to be part "Red Man", which is actually offensive to most Native peoples by the way. Most Native-Americans were wiped out from disease, not war. There was an isolated indecent where tainted blankets were given to Indians intentionally to get them infected, but that was not commonplace.

And remember that the slaves that were brought to America were in many cases already enslaved by another African tribe and sold to Europeans. However, Europeans( almost 150 years ago) were more to blame. But that blame should not be passed to 4,5,6 generations down the line just because they happen to be so called "white".


This is exactly the kind of thinking that Dr. King fought against. Don't prejudge someone for the color of their skin(i.e. "White: People), but the content of their character. This Reverend did not serve Obama well. Obama ran a campaign on "inclusiveness" and togetherness. This Rev. language would only seek to divide us.

[JamStone]

While I have no doubt these things happened, the point your missing is that nobody alive today was there for any of that stuff that happened centuries ago. And there is very very few people alive that could remember the 50's and 60's civil rights stuff. Most were children during that time. So why should every "white" person be stigmatized for all that? If anyone can even agree on what "white" means. Russian? Ukrainian? Swedish? Spanish? And if they migrate to the US they get blamed too? I guess everyone gets lumped in just because they happen to have pale skin? I was not born until '77. Is all that my fault too? I had nothing to do with it. Where does it end?

First of all, there is still racism today. So, while I used an example of slavery, that's not the only thing involved with the perception of white oppression. The Civil Rights stuff brought those issue to the forefront of American political culture. That doesn't mean those issues aren't still relevant or prevalent today.

I think you're missing the point of what Lowery was saying. He didn't say, " the white man." He essentially said, "let's hope that the white man does good, does right." It was a prayer and a hope that things really have turned around. He didn't say, "now that we got a black man in office, let's go with the white man." That's not what he's saying at all. He's not stigmatizing all white people. He's saying let's celebrate this change and hope that there is real change, for all people, for black people, brown, yellow, and red, who haven't had the same rights and privileges as the white man.

Again, I don't think it was the most appropriate thing to say, but it wasn't hateful and it wasn't really bad for him to "hope" that things have really changed.

Oh and I happen to be part "Red Man", which is actually offensive to most Native peoples by the way. Most Native-Americans were wiped out from disease, not war. There was an isolated indecent where tainted blankets were given to Indians intentionally to get them infected, but that was not commonplace.

And there are some black people that don't like being called "black" because in fact the vast majority of African Americans are actually dark brown. But, hey, take the prayer and the words of the prayer in context of what he was trying to convey as a message. All colors. All races. All shades. Let us celebrate this day that seemingly opens the door for all colors to have the same opportunities that white people have had for over 400 years. That's what it's about. It's not about being ultimately politically correct and politically safe in his word choices.

And remember that the slaves that were brought to America were in many cases already enslaved by another African tribe and sold to Europeans. However, Europeans( almost 150 years ago) were more to blame. But that blame should not be passed to 4,5,6 generations down the line just because they happen to be so called "white".

I understand that point. It's the same point that implacable was trying to make. I don't deny it. I don't justify it. I don't forgive it. But as it pertains to American politics and the issues of race and color in the political landscape of the history of the United States, it's not altogether pertinent. Those African slave movers didn't live in America, in the United States of America. The American slavery issues poignant to the history of the United States and to the race issues that subsequently followed in the United States of America happened in the United States of America. There is no blame forgotten or taken away from the African slave movers. They share blame of course. But, all the wrongs of the 200 years of American slavery that also gave birth to the racial tensions of segregation and inequal rights and freedoms focus on White Americans, not the African slave movers and slave tradesmen.

This is exactly the kind of thinking that Dr. King fought against. Don't prejudge someone for the color of their skin(i.e. "White: People), but the content of their character. This Reverend did not serve Obama well. Obama ran a campaign on "inclusiveness" and togetherness. This Rev. language would only seek to divide us.

It's not prejudging white people to "hope" that times have changed and to hope that white people can embrace that change. It's misinterpreting his words for the sake of making an argument for divisiveness. The intent was not that at all.

[micca]

First of all, there is still racism today. So, while I used an example of slavery, that's not the only thing involved with the perception of white oppression. The Civil Rights stuff brought those issue to the forefront of American political culture. That doesn't mean those issues aren't still relevant or prevalent today.

I think you're missing the point of what Lowery was saying. He didn't say, " the white man." He essentially said, "let's hope that the white man does good, does right." It was a prayer and a hope that things really have turned around. He didn't say, "now that we got a black man in office, let's go with the white man." That's not what he's saying at all. He's not stigmatizing all white people. He's saying let's celebrate this change and hope that there is real change, for all people, for black people, brown, yellow, and red, who haven't had the same rights and privileges as the white man.

Again, I don't think it was the most appropriate thing to say, but it wasn't hateful and it wasn't really bad for him to "hope" that things have really changed.




And there are some black people that don't like being called "black" because in fact the vast majority of African Americans are actually dark brown. But, hey, take the prayer and the words of the prayer in context of what he was trying to convey as a message. All colors. All races. All shades. Let us celebrate this day that seemingly opens the door for all colors to have the same opportunities that white people have had for over 400 years. That's what it's about. It's not about being ultimately politically correct and politically safe in his word choices.




I understand that point. It's the same point that implacable was trying to make. I don't deny it. I don't justify it. I don't forgive it. But as it pertains to American politics and the issues of race and color in the political landscape of the history of the United States, it's not altogether pertinent. Those African slave movers didn't live in America, in the United States of America. The American slavery issues poignant to the history of the United States and to the race issues that subsequently followed in the United States of America happened in the United States of America. There is no blame forgotten or taken away from the African slave movers. They share blame of course. But, all the wrongs of the 200 years of American slavery that also gave birth to the racial tensions of segregation and inequal rights and freedoms focus on White Americans, not the African slave movers and slave tradesmen.




It's not prejudging white people to "hope" that times have changed and to hope that white people can embrace that change. It's misinterpreting his words for the sake of making an argument for divisiveness. The intent was not that at all.

[micca]

Lowery is indeed a racist and this pathetic attempt to dance around the issue, or paint a politically correct face on it does not change that fact. "We hope times have changed" there are many many black mayors in the U.S. there are many senators and represenatives that are black,black cabniet members black officers in the pentagon,black police officers, black corprate heads,black professors in point ,in every field and human endevor in this nation on all levels blacks are represented. There is nothing that white america can do, will ever be able to do to change the minds of people like you, because it profits you to have some one owe you. It profits jesse jackson to paint a picture of the KKK behind every tree, and shake down whites. All history is pertinent, any sincere study of world history will show that this nation is amazinglly enlightened.What is also pertenient is the "race industry" and those who profit from it, and the price we the people pay for it, what is far more pertinent in the landscape of race relations today,more than slavery or the civil rights movemnet is how the political class, and hate mongers must malign the nation in order to maintain power how a revised history and present is being painted to promote division and discord for the profit of the ruling class .How America and Western Culture are vilified in order to justify their rape.If America is so racist why do so many from everywhere seek to live here.

[ChumpDumper]

They're really coming out of the woodwork, aren't they?

[Winehole23]

They're really coming out of the woodwork, aren't they?

Do you suppose it's noobs, or trolls deployed by craven regulars?

[JamStone]

Lowery is indeed a racist and this pathetic attempt to dance around the issue, or paint a politically correct face on it does not change that fact. "We hope times have changed" there are many many black mayors in the U.S. there are many senators and represenatives that are black,black cabniet members black officers in the pentagon,black police officers, black corprate heads,black professors in point ,in every field and human endevor in this nation on all levels blacks are represented. There is nothing that white america can do, will ever be able to do to change the minds of people like you, because it profits you to have some one owe you. It profits jesse jackson to paint a picture of the KKK behind every tree, and shake down whites. All history is pertinent, any sincere study of world history will show that this nation is amazinglly enlightened.What is also pertenient is the "race industry" and those who profit from it, and the price we the people pay for it, what is far more pertinent in the landscape of race relations today,more than slavery or the civil rights movemnet is how the political class, and hate mongers must malign the nation in order to maintain power how a revised history and present is being painted to promote division and discord for the profit of the ruling class .How America and Western Culture are vilified in order to justify their rape.If America is so racist why do so many from everywhere seek to live here.

Interesting take. But why talk about black mayors and senators and cabinet members and corporate heads when the highest political position in the country is the President of the United States and until today, a black man, and for that matter any person of color, has held the position. That's why today was a celebration of change. Because one of the most powerful positions that has been devoid of racial diversity for over 200 years has finally opened its doors of opportunity to a group of people who never felt it was a possibility.

It's not hateful to celebrate the change. It's not hateful to recognize and acknowledge the past. If the political class and hate mongers so critically weave this race industry to continue to control power, how is it that a black man became president at all? How does that preserve their ability to control and maintain control of power. If the goal of the political class was to maintain control with the perception of discord and division, then today would not have been a celebration of change. It would have been a coup and a riot.

America has its share of racism. It's inevitable on the individual level when there is such a diverse population. The political racism has been around for hundreds of years, and yes it still goes on today. Sometimes more subtle to appease the perception of that racism. Sometimes to hide the ugliness of reality. But, there is still racism. Why would people everwhere seek to live in a racist country? Because it's still better than third world poverty or living under communist rule and because the racism is more subtle today than 200 years ago and won't greatly hinder the ability to live a relatively nice life. That doesn't mean racism is non-existent.

You are free to believe what you want. I think those opinions rather skewed by your own view of political corruption. But, sure, believe what you want. That's the great thing about living in the United States of America. People can believe such things and express them even if they are a bit out of touch with reality.

[Eagle70ss]

First of all, there is still racism today. So, while I used an example of slavery, that's not the only thing involved with the perception of white oppression. The Civil Rights stuff brought those issue to the forefront of American political culture. That doesn't mean those issues aren't still relevant or prevalent today.

I think you're missing the point of what Lowery was saying. He didn't say, " the white man." He essentially said, "let's hope that the white man does good, does right." It was a prayer and a hope that things really have turned around. He didn't say, "now that we got a black man in office, let's go with the white man." That's not what he's saying at all. He's not stigmatizing all white people. He's saying let's celebrate this change and hope that there is real change, for all people, for black people, brown, yellow, and red, who haven't had the same rights and privileges as the white man.

Again, I don't think it was the most appropriate thing to say, but it wasn't hateful and it wasn't really bad for him to "hope" that things have really changed.




And there are some black people that don't like being called "black" because in fact the vast majority of African Americans are actually dark brown. But, hey, take the prayer and the words of the prayer in context of what he was trying to convey as a message. All colors. All races. All shades. Let us celebrate this day that seemingly opens the door for all colors to have the same opportunities that white people have had for over 400 years. That's what it's about. It's not about being ultimately politically correct and politically safe in his word choices.




I understand that point. It's the same point that implacable was trying to make. I don't deny it. I don't justify it. I don't forgive it. But as it pertains to American politics and the issues of race and color in the political landscape of the history of the United States, it's not altogether pertinent. Those African slave movers didn't live in America, in the United States of America. The American slavery issues poignant to the history of the United States and to the race issues that subsequently followed in the United States of America happened in the United States of America. There is no blame forgotten or taken away from the African slave movers. They share blame of course. But, all the wrongs of the 200 years of American slavery that also gave birth to the racial tensions of segregation and inequal rights and freedoms focus on White Americans, not the African slave movers and slave tradesmen.




It's not prejudging white people to "hope" that times have changed and to hope that white people can embrace that change. It's misinterpreting his words for the sake of making an argument for divisiveness. The intent was not that at all.

It is prejudging because he's incorrectly assuming that white people haven't already made that change..He's starting from a position that they need to be told what's right. Which is readily apparent that the majority of them have made that change because that's who elected Obama. Without the "White" vote he could not have won. It wouldn't have been even close. There's not enough minority vote to override.

In addition, it's a bit of a misnomer to say Obama is African-American. He's roughly half European-American and half African-American. His father(African part) left very early in his life and had limited influence over his life.

[Wild Cobra]

All I can say is leave it to a black man to keep the fires of racism burning. Never fails.

Can't we just let it all go? Judge people by their actions rather than their color?

[baseline bum]

All I can say is leave it to a black man to keep the fires of racism burning. Never fails.

Can't we just let it all go? Judge people by their actions rather than their color?

[DrHouse]

at whitey getting all riled up.

Chill out honkeys, Obama ain't taking yer guns.

[Eagle70ss]

at whitey getting all riled up.

Chill out honkeys, Obama ain't taking yer guns.

Not white, but he still couldn't and wouldn't take my piece. Out of my cold dead hands is the only way...

I'm glad this is humorous to you though It's worth a laugh....

[TheMadHatter]

I laugh at white people a lot actually. Especially the Southern hick variety. They amuse me.

[Def Rowe]

I laugh at white people a lot actually. Especially the Southern hick variety. They amuse me.

And there are quite a few on this forum. It's fun to watch the smart people from Austin take them to school.

[jack sommerset]

at whitey getting all riled up.

Chill out honkeys, Obama ain't taking yer guns.

Obama needs to take all the guns from all the people. Check out the jails and see what race he should go after first. I doubt it will surprise you but maybe you could come up with a better line directed at "honkeys".

"Honkeys" were the reason Obama is the President. Don't forget that.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Judge people by their actions rather than their color?

do you apply that same thinking to surgeons?

[BRHornet45]

my president is black .... and its about damn time!!! what yall honkies gotta say about that? Obama: the BLACK man with the BLACK plan!!!