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Clearly, we're out of our minds for making that suggestion.
Clearly.
Because you're generalizing, and I happen to be someone specifically that you are incorrectly generalizing into that group and it pisses me off. And I don't feel like I should have to walk around showing everyone my bottle of Synthroid because quitting smoking actually ed up my body chemistry ... or how I wasn't aware until it was a major problem that my body was reacting very badly to the progesterone in my Mirena IUD, to even hope to be left the alone without being unfairly judged or criticized or insulted.
But honestly? I'm getting used to the fact that it's become socially the norm to be an asshole, to say whatever the you want to and you if you don't like it ... even if some have to hide behind some chicken little troll to do it.*
*only a general statement, not aimed at anyone in particular. Well, maybe a couple ...
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Clearly, we're out of our minds for making that suggestion.
Clearly.
what a guy
I should remember to poke fun at my 5 year old daughter tonite just to remind her how much I love her
no, not really.
but just keep on looking like an ignorant jackass.
See, this is where I knew my line of reasoning would take this conversation.
You probably have some genetic predisposition to obesity/being overweight (i am nooooo doctor, nor health-nut to say what it is with any confidence).
But unlike a large percentage of the 63% of Americans who eat themselves to sleep at night, you have recognized the health related risks and tried to make a damn fine life change.
man, I say thats frickin awesome! I sincerely wish I had that kind of willpower to quit smoking.
I am trying to speak in generalities where generalities apply. Obesity is up in this country and it wil become the scourge of he 21st century...and it is NOT because of people like yourself.
I dont hate or even dislike overweight people. What I do dislike is the myriad of excuses some over-weight people and their sympathizers use to explain away their life choices. You obviously arent making excuses and you are certainly not propogating common fallacies associated with weight problems in this country.
I think I made a very certain reference earlier in this thread that discluded people just like yourself to begin with. My sister in law is similar to you in that way (but its a thyroid problem). Some people cant do much about it, I understand that and in those cases, I sympathize.
But your condition is not applicable to even a fraction of the weight problem, statistically speaking. So miniscule in fact, that my assumption about the over-weight person sitting in the corner of McDonalds doesnt start and end with "maybe its genetic.."
Thats my point.
I see the asterik. I dont use trolls. Never have, never will.
But you know what I'm referring to, so don't think for a minute that fat people aren't treated poorly in this country, that we're coddled or whatever else. That was entirely unprovoked, yet it's that happens all of the time.
then stop talking out of your ass
and you know for certain that the morbidly obese person has not tried at allBut unlike a large percentage of the 63% of Americans who eat themselves to sleep at night, you have recognized the health related risks and tried to make a damn fine life change.
you seem to be speaking in generalities all over the placeI am trying to speak in generalities where generalities apply. Obesity is up in this country and it wil become the scourge of he 21st century...and it is NOT because of people like yourself.
you've made it pretty clear that if you poke fun at someone, that means you love themI dont hate or even dislike overweight people.
funny, I thought you said we weren't supposed to make assumptions.But your condition is not applicable to even a fraction of the weight problem, statistically speaking. So miniscule in fact, that my assumption about the over-weight person sitting in the corner of McDonalds doesnt start and end with "maybe its genetic.."
Thats my point.
So youre another exception, although I am not familiar with the interactions you describe, my dad gained 45lbs when he quit smoking. As I am sure you know, nicotine is an appe e suppressant. It also slows down the digestive process on any food you intake, thereby reducing the amounts of nutrients (and fat, calorie, etc) that your body takes in from that food.
I am sure you knew that anyway.
So, since I have somehow offended you (even though in one of my first posts I made exceptions for those that suffer from medical conditions)m lets get right down to it.
If 63% of Americans are overweight and 31% of Americans are obese, then we should just chalk those numbers up to medical conditions in totality?
Or should we recognize that a majority of those people are gluttons?
Or should we just ignore the facts and continue to sing koom-bi-ya, be polite and look the other way from a health crisis?
Yes I do and youre right.
It's becoming apparent that a large part of is based on where you live. There is nothing DR has stated that is wrong about how a majority of families/friends act up here. It's just how it is. I do think the judgmental aspect of it is inherent but it is definitely shaped by the environment you're brought up in.
BTW, when did judgmental become such a bad word?
And what's wrong with poking fun of kids? Like everything else, it depends on how and who you do it to.
No, thats how you interpret what I said. Thats your failure at reading comprehension, on you, not me. Youre petpetuating an untruth in an attempt to discredit the argument. Its typical.
When I see a guy with a car full of fast food wrappers and the drivers side sags the suspension, that isnt an assumption.funny, I thought you said we weren't supposed to make assumptions.
Well that guy - Joe Esposito/Nomad or whatever he wants to call himself was obviously just being an ass to be an ass. I heard that happens sometimes when you haven't been laid in years. But I wouldn't know.
Again, I don't doubt for a minute that it's "just how it is."
Everyone I know is judgmental. Everyone. Including myself, at times. I still think it's ed up, though. I still think it's unfortunate that it has become the societal norm to immediately belittle and/or dismiss those who are different than we are. Unquestionably a fact of life, and one that probably isn't likely to change any time soon, but really not our best feature.
The only problem I have with this is the word "become".
It's always been that way and I don't think it will ever change.
Semantics, I think.
I use "become" because it's my belief that our intensely judgmental tendencies are socially motivated, rather than biologically motivated. Certainly it is the way things have been for generations and generations, so it's not as if it's suddenly become the norm within the last 10-15 years, but I absolutely do not believe that it is built into our DNA to be so judgmental. I think it has developed as our species/society/culture has evolved, even if it has done so slowly.
I do agree that it is very unlikely to change, however.
So, so far from the truth...Really? all this time I thought you was drug free, born again, tree hugging soccer Mom!
I say Ruff will have his meltdown on page 5
...and why would I meltdown about this? We're having an interesting discussion.
Indeed.
I'd just like to say thanks to Ed, FWD and CF for sharing those stories. You've helped me to see just how complex an issue this is. Because I have never had a weight problem and always been motivated towards fitness I never really understood it, but I'm starting to now. Cheers.
The preponderance of fast food, and over-processed food, and the use of things like high-fructose corn syrup in soft drinks (adds lots of calories without making you feel full), combined with the incredible pace of modern life, is certainly not helping the average Joe to stay in shape. I think it's also a matter of teaching kids from a very young age about good nutrition, and how to cook healthy food - from anecdotal observation, as societies we don't do that very well any more.
Carry on.
Sorry I thought you was someone else, Maybe it was Buddy Holly. All I know is more than one poster kept saying you was Gay and I thought you posted your done with this site?So, so far from the truth...
...and why would I meltdown about this? We're having an interesting discussion.
.
Sorry my bad.
Anyway keep up the good come backs! everyone here at work is reading this topic and we are all pulling for you.
Dude Ruff is no tree hugger. The man is a Golden GOD when it comes to debate topics!
Trust me you will find David Robinson In a bikers bar doing coke lines off a naked tattooed strippers ass while listening to Metalica before you see Ruff acting Gay.
Ruff 4
Blake 0
that's crazy. Metallica? pfft.
no, I don't think I misread you saying that friendly ridicule truly inspires a person to change
You can try and bull your way through what you meant when you said:
..and try and pass it off as my original meaning all you'd like. When I made my comments "poking fun" or getting "busted on", I made it a clear reference to those close to me, not complete strangers as youre trying to characterize in the above quote, and you know it.you've made it pretty clear that if you poke fun at someone, that means you love them
Youre garnering support like a good politician does.
EDITED: , you even did my work for me. You didnt take the quote out of context...thanks.
Another thing that occurred to me while I was running errands a bit ago (and, yes, I realize it's somewhat sad that I was thinking about this place while running errands, but I'm okay with that) is that I don't know a single overweight/obese person who hasn't made numerous attempts to change their lifestyle. Not one. As mentioned earlier, obesity is quite common on my mom's side of the family and between family and friends, I know and care for several people who have battled weight issues. None of whom have ever just thrown up their hands and said " it, I'm just fat, bring on the Krispy Kremes." Granted, I'm sure there are many people who have said that, but it is another example of an at ude/choice that simply cannot be assumed.
In the case of everyone I know or have met, the overwhelming majority have been far more diligent in dieting, changing their eating habits, exercising, and trying to lose weight than I ever have. It's just a really hard thing to do.
Its been my su ion that the law that previously banned advertising prescription medication on television was financed by the same psychoactive drug companies with new "happy pills" Americans would demand when seeing the condition they were advertising to.
What do you know, with advertising like this...
...the amount of people "suffering" from depression skyrockets overnight.
I wonder why...
btw, I was wrong earlier about Prozac. I knew it was some antidepressant, but it was this commercial I remember.
Thats just bizarro world...At one point when I lived in Los Angeles, I was the only person in my office not on anti-depressants. PULLLLLLLEASSE!
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...and that is exactly the same argument I am trying to have about obesity as well. I readily admitted and made exceptions for nearly every medical example used in this thread.
I have never once claimed every single overweight person is a glutton or an addict. But I do say a vast majority of the 63% of people in this country are exactly those two things.
Yet I am being lambasted for stating the obvious, that statistically speaking, well over half of the overweight people in this country are addicted to food! Its frickin true!
If it werent true, than at least ONE other industrialized nation would have comparable stats to back that claim up. Guess what? There isnt another nation with this magnitude of a weight problem. Especially for as high a population we have in comparison to the European nations, or that larger populations like China/India show no sign of this epidemic (really, I didnt want to use the super-populated countries at this extreme for obvious reasons).
What is so damn offensive about that?!
Because I bust on my loved ones about it (and many other things)? I will not apologize for my personal interactions with those I care about. You guys wouldnt last 20mins in a typical conversation amongst loved ones.
I usually open my arguments with the exceptions and then rant about the subject matter. When I said the things I said about over-eaters and gluttons, I was speaking about and to the gluttons and over-eaters. Like I would about any other addict of sorts that I had any sort of personal relationship with.
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