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2nd to Yao
Man, your glasses must be super tinted in purple and gold.
Im not trying to start a fight but your delusional.
I said last year that Bynum would be the best Center in the West by the end of the year. I think he's 2nd best to Yao right now. I still think he'll be better than Yao by the end of the year.
Shaq is still great but in limited minutes...maybe 15 minutes where he's still unstoppable. But over 40 minutes I think Bynum is better.
I said he might catch up to Dwight this year but I was definitely wrong on that...Dwight's on a different level right now.
And this is all with Bynum still just cashing paychecks. If he ever gets that desire to be great, I think he can do it. I just don't know if that's in him.
2nd to Yao
Man, your glasses must be super tinted in purple and gold.
Im not trying to start a fight but your delusional.
Who's better?2nd to Yao
Man, your glasses must be super tinted in purple and gold.
Im not trying to start a fight but your delusional.
I think Jefferson is the second best C in the West. I think Shaq is still more productive aswell. Nene is also beasting this season, i think hes been a little more productive than Bynum and means more to his team.
Yao
Jefferson
Shaq
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Bynum
Nene
I think those top 3 are a cut above the rest.
Al Jefferson is a very ineffective player. I think he's alot like Amare, great stats but not much influence on the game. Put Bynum on the Wolves and he'd get also get his 20 and 10. Neither Amare or Al play any defense either so the opposing Center usually scores as much or more. Bynum's defense is a level above both of them and can usually hold the opposing player (like against Duncan). Only one that killed Bynum so far was Dwight.
Shaq is simply unstoppable in spurts but his great moments are about 15 minutes per game. If you watch him play, he's just going through the motions the other 15 minutes.
Last edited by Allanon; 01-22-2009 at 03:31 AM.
Here's a few of your quotes from JUST the past 2 months about the "Great Bynum"
Im not even going to waste my time looking up the stuff from 2007-2008, that stuff was just rediculous!
They were pretty good
efficniecy ratings from NBA.com
Dwight Howard + 27.08
Yau Ming + 23.34
David West + 19.78
Andrew Bynum + 16.77
And thats just a quick look, I didnt even research, just looked up who I thought was better.
I agree on Dwight in the East and Yao in the West. Bynum is second to Yao in the West so we agree on this.
David West is a power forward.
Jefferson is a better player than Bynum.
True about David west, I screwed up on that one.
Still, Andrew Bynum is not the force you make him out to be. I mean, come on, he is playing with Kobe and Gasol. Any center in the league with those 2 is going to put up some numbers.
Bynum is the same as Amare. Without the players they have around eachother they both would be mediocre at best.
Im not saying he sucks, I would take him on the Spurs any day of the week! Im just pointing out the fact that "laker fan" made him out to be some super center last year which he obviously is not.
He was an over-achiever those 3 months that he played last year, just like Bonner and Mason for the Spurs are most likely over-achieving with their 3-point game. I'd like to hope they can keep it up but I know reality.
Last edited by phyzik; 01-22-2009 at 04:03 AM.
Some people think this, I don't believe so.
Al Jefferson doesn't play defense. He gives up as many points as he makes.
This is certainly possible. There's alot of room left for improvement in Bynum.
I think this is what makes him a very good talent, he has not even come close to his potential whereas guys like Al Jefferson are pretty much at their peak.
I think Bynum is very good because of his potential. And yes, he has not realized that potential yet but he's been on a nice tear recently, much like Last January. I think we're going to see quite a bit of improvement in Bynum over the next 2 months as the Lakers switch more to an inside out game.
I'd take the under on that bet any day of the week. Bynum is a good player but he is not going to be a Dwight Howard even playing with the current Lakers team. Your setting yourself up for dissapointment and ridding off of what you saw for only 3 months last season. He wont put those numbers up again, at least not consistently, garunteed.
Bynum already has a much better post game than Howard and is a superior post defender. No he's not going to be Howard but they're different players.
Build a team around Bynum and he's a 20/10 guy easily. If you weren't such a blatant re you could see that. But the fact is he's playing on a stacked team sharing minutes with 2 other all-star caliber big men and Kobe Bryant.
^ are you implying Lamar Odom is an all star caliber big man?
I do believe Bynum has more post skill than Howard. Howard is the better player based on athleticism alone. Regarding defense, Magic are 3rd in the league in defense whereas Lakers are 6th and Howard is their best defender.
When healthy and getting starting minutes he's borderline all-star.
But that's besides the point.
Howard's a great shot blocker but Bynum plays better man defense. Just watch the last few matchups Bynum had against Duncan. He guards Timmy as good as anyone in the league. Where Howard dominates with his inhuman athleticism/quickness Bynum does the same with his ridiculous length/size.
Also, Bynum's holding opposing centers to lower FG% and lower PER in comparison to Howard.
http://www.82games.com/0809/08LAL14.HTM#bypos
http://www.82games.com/0809/08ORL14.HTM#bypos
Don't get me wrong though, I'd take Howard over Bynum if given the choice. But when Bynum's playing well he's easily the 2nd best center in the West right now and #1 defensively.
hhmm, good stats, good stats.
IM SOLD
Dwight Howard always gets owned head to head against Yao. But he does have a better PER.
Bynum is just starting to get his touch back on offense (just like he did this time last year, before he got injured)
shooting stats from Bynum's last 8 games:
Shooting %: .606 (66-109)
Points PG: 20.1
Free throw %: .674 (29-43 - not that bad for a young big man)
Remember, this guy is barely 21 years old (and has no college experience, and sat on Phil Jackson's bench his first year, averaging 7 minutes/game).
He still has a long way to develop - give the kid a break - I still regard Bynum as a "project with potential".
bynums 42 and 15 against a second round rookie does not make him the 2nd best center now.
hes 4th best center in my books
yao
shaq
jefferson
bynum
I can undestand the Shaq nod over Bynum, Shaq's unstoppable again this year. I just don't think he sustains his excellence more than 15 minutes per game.
I really don't get the love that Al Jefferson gets. He has good offense but his defense is friggin' terrible. Have you seen the opponent PER that 21_blessings put up?
Sure Al Jefferson has sexy numbers but he gives up just as much as he gets. Very ineffective.
Al Jefferson
http://www.82games.com/0809/08LAL14.HTM#bypos
Bynum
http://www.82games.com/0809/08LAL14.HTM#bypos
You forgot Dwight Howard and Emeka Okafor both who are better than Bynum
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