Andrew Bynum is playing worse this year than last

[Allanon]

You forgot Dwight Howard and Emeka Okafor both who are better than Bynum

Dwight yes, but I think he's only listing West guys.

Okafur, no. Okafur is another ineffective Center who gives up points to other Centers.

[Allanon]

And scanning those opponent PER numbers, Bynum has the lowest opponent PER of all the Centers so his defense is really up there.

It's his offense (mainly post position) that needs work. For the last several months, Bynum's been getting really poor positioning...too high. He would post up by the free throw line.

But over the last couple of weeks, you see him getting low post position consistently...his numbers are improving greatly because of this. I have a feeling Kareem's been putting in some extra work with Bynum.

[z0sa]

Dwight yes, but I think he's only listing West guys.

Okafur, no. Okafur is another ineffective Center who gives up points to other Centers.

Okafor strikes me as one of the best defensive big men in the league ... though I thought he was more a power forward.

And Bynum is a good player, but will never be great. And that idiot saying he's a legit 20/10 when having a team built around him - . He gets something like 80% of his basket assisted. Look it up. Besides the fact if all the defensive pressure was on him and not Pau Gasol and Kobe, he would probably average <10ppg.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

Nobody not named Kobe has dropped 40+ since Shaq left. That tells you how special the performance was. His footwork looked great, he was patient, made good decisions and is developing a really nice touch, hustled down the court and grabbed rebounds and blocked shots.

For the record, Dwight's career high is 39.
Bynum's is 42

[z0sa]

Nobody not named Kobe has dropped 40+ since Shaq left. That tells you how special the performance was. His footwork looked great, he was patient, made good decisions and is developing a really nice touch, hustled down the court and grabbed rebounds and blocked shots.

For the record, Dwight's career high is 39.
Bynum's is 42

I'm sure if Dwight Howard had Kareem for 3+ years he would have a variety of post moves as well, considering Bynum also came straight out of high school. Bynum's did well the other night but only scores on mediocre defenders. He doesn't have a strong go to move yet for real post defenders.

[IronMexican]

Drew's game wasn't nearly as polished as Dwight's entering the NBA.

[Allanon]

Okafor strikes me as one of the best defensive big men in the league ... though I thought he was more a power forward.

Against power forwards, Okafur is pretty good on defense but he's just outmatched as a Center. He gives up points like freebies against Centers.

Unfortunately for him, the Bobcats really don't have a decent Center so he has to play Center.

We'll see how good Okafur is on defense on Tuesday, I'm pretty sure Bynum's gonna kill him.

[z0sa]

Against power forwards, Okafur is pretty good on defense but he's just outmatched as a Center. He gives up points like freebies against Centers.

Unfortunately for him, the Bobcats really don't have a decent Center so he has to play Center.

We'll see how good Okafur is on defense on Tuesday, I'm pretty sure Bynum's gonna kill him.

Doubt it.

And at Dwight Howard game being much more polished than Bynum's coming into the NBA. The guy still has NO go-to move, just like Bynum, but his team is great at getting him the ball in perfect position. When he came in the League he had nothing but his sheer athleticism, which is why come playoffs, Orlando suffers. They need people doubling Howard to be effective. If and WHEN those doubles do not come, Howard is going to have to play out of his mind to beat a team like Boston or Cleveland 4 out of 7.

To say he's polished even now is a joke, though he does have some semblance of a post game now.

[IronMexican]

Bynum had nothing entering the NBA. Only thing he had going for him was being 7'.

[z0sa]

Bynum had nothing entering the NBA. Only thing he had going for him was being 7'.

You can pretty much say the same for Dwight Howard, just much much more potential athletically .. I mean, Howard still doesn't have a hook shot in the lane, and Bynum's got that even.

[IronMexican]

Well, Dwight was a freak of nature just by his body. Drew looked like a baby compared to Dwight.

[robbie380]

Dwight yes, but I think he's only listing West guys.

Okafur, no. Okafur is another ineffective Center who gives up points to other Centers.

rofl and what did bynum do last night? he let a no name rookie shoot put up 23 and 12 on him with 11/12 shooting.

i'll give the guy credit since it was a great game and i do like his game but let's not get ahead of ourselves with him yet. this is his 4th year in the league and he has regressed. that is generally a bad sign but like you have said he is still very young and he has a lot to learn.

[z0sa]

Well, Dwight was a freak of nature just by his body. Drew looked like a baby compared to Dwight.

I agree .. which is why I said what I said. And also why I said if Dwight Howard had Kareem for nearly 4 years now, he'd have a variety of post moves ...

I'm honestly one who doesn't believe in people being smart or stupid enough to get something - one just has to be taught the right way to make them understand and see something for what it is. If Kareem had been devoting all this time for Mihm and Bynum on Howard, Dwight would be the best center of all time..

[IronMexican]

If you say so. Kareem has been great, no doubt, but turning any 7 footer into an above average C? Idk.

[z0sa]

If you say so. Kareem has been great, no doubt, but turning any 7 footer into an above average C? Idk.

Considering what he's done with Bynum, with a fraction of the work ethic of Dwight ... I'm selling him up and you're selling him down even though it's your team he's done this for.

Besides, if Kareem is incapable of turning "any" seven footer into an above average C, then why did you post that Bynum had nothing but 7feet going for him, when right now he has a decently polished post game and always had defense to boot (when he's trying).

[turiaf for president]

no ure selling bynum short. he can have the best coaches in the world but if he doesnt work at it, its gonna take him nowhere. signs of him wanting to get better started in the offseason when he bulked up. people should stop the dho bynum comparisons. dho is a shaq like center who powers his way for his points and grabs boards. bynums more of a finese guy who has a much better touch from the mid range and can hold his own on the boards and blocks. he may look clumsy at times but thats just it.....he looks clumsy. in actuality he has very good foot work for a big man. he looks like he travels but he does a great job of anchoring his pivot foot.

[Killakobe81]

I agree .. which is why I said what I said. And also why I said if Dwight Howard had Kareem for nearly 4 years now, he'd have a variety of post moves ...

I'm honestly one who doesn't believe in people being smart or stupid enough to get something - one just has to be taught the right way to make them understand and see something for what it is. If Kareem had been devoting all this time for Mihm and Bynum on Howard, Dwight would be the best center of all time..

Now granted he is no Kareem But Howard has Ewing teaching him everyday as well the lack of knowledege or the blind biased eyes used to make arguments on here baffles me ...id still rather have Dwight but Bynum's p[ost game is MUCH better than Howard i was AT the last Spur/Laker game Bynum went at Duncan (a great post defende) and scored at least 3 buckets ...
He has regressed energy and intensity wise becaiuse menatlly he is worried about landing on cats like he did last year ...that is why he has scored less on lobs but post wishe he is still nice ...other than aljefferson he has the best post moves of of allthe young big man hands-down ...

[Allanon]

rofl and what did bynum do last night? he let a no name rookie shoot put up 23 and 12 on him with 11/12 shooting.

i'll give the guy credit since it was a great game and i do like his game but let's not get ahead of ourselves with him yet. this is his 4th year in the league and he has regressed. that is generally a bad sign but like you have said he is still very young and he has a lot to learn.

Bynum scored 19 more points than the other guy...I'll take that any day.

[z0sa]

no ure selling bynum short. he can have the best coaches in the world but if he doesnt work at it, its gonna take him nowhere.

I bet if I were 7 feet, athletic and had Kareem f'in Abdul Jabbar mentoring me from my senior year of high school to now ... I'd be pretty damn good. That's just showing up to work everyday and wanting to improve.

signs of him wanting to get better started in the offseason when he bulked up.

Eh, while recovering he could not do nearly as much conditioning ... which is why he spent a lot of time in the weight room.

people should stop the dho bynum comparisons. dho is a shaq like center who powers his way for his points and grabs boards. bynums more of a finese guy who has a much better touch from the mid range and can hold his own on the boards and blocks.

That's just the thing - Dwight tries to make finesse moves around the basket and succeeds now.. but last season was the first time he really showed improvement in his back to the basket game - that's what happens when you've got video to go off and not NBA's All-Time Leading Scorer mentoring you.

[mogrovejo]

Are you guys serious? Level of compe ion matters... you're reading too much in a game where he was defended by D-Leaguers.... He's skilled but not enough to have games as this against serious compe ion.

Until Bynum learns to defend the pick'n'roll, I doubt that he'll be on the floor when it counts, those slow tempo 4th quarters in the play-offs (that's why I think that the importance of having bigs to matchup with the Lakers is way overstated).

Nice asset to have and he can become a top3 center in the league due to his offensive prowess. The problem is that the Lakers have better offensive players than him and there are only so many shots to go around...

[z0sa]

Now granted he is no Kareem But Howard has Ewing teaching him everyday as well the lack of knowledege or the blind biased eyes used to make arguments on here baffles me ...id still rather have Dwight but Bynum's p[ost game is MUCH better than Howard i was AT the last Spur/Laker game Bynum went at Duncan (a great post defende) and scored at least 3 buckets ...
He has regressed energy and intensity wise becaiuse menatlly he is worried about landing on cats like he did last year ...that is why he has scored less on lobs but post wishe he is still nice ...other than aljefferson he has the best post moves of of allthe young big man hands-down ...

LOL, Ewing = high arcing jumpshooter, I'd say thats about the most far opposite you could get for what Dhoward needs to improve in his game - though a nice looking jumper would be nice to see. His current form is a crime against basketball humanity.

Let me edit and say of course Ewing has his share of post moves but lets not confuse Ewing's accomplishments and style of play with Kareem's, who would be perfect for Howard.

[Allanon]

Are you guys serious? Level of compe ion matters... you're reading too much in a game where he was defended by D-Leaguers.... He's skilled but not enough to have games as this against serious compe ion.

Just happy to see Bynum have a massive game. We know it's the Clippers but 42 is still nice against any team. In general, he's been playing well in January so far, very much like last year so that's a great sign. If he just can stay healthy into the Playoffs, it should be a great run.

I agree with the 4th quarter thing, Bynum's still not as good in the 4th as Pau/Odom, but he's improved some in this area as well.

We haven't seen it all year yet but I wouldn't be surprised to see Kobe/Ariza/Odom/Pau/Bynum in the 4th quarters soon.

[mogrovejo]

Just happy to see Bynum have a massive game. We know it's the Clippers but 42 is still nice against any team. In general, he's been playing well in January so far, very much like last year so that's a great sign. If he just can stay healthy into the Playoffs, it should be a great run.

I agree with the 4th quarter thing, Bynum's still not as good in the 4th as Pau/Odom, but he's improved some in this area as well.

We haven't seen it all year yet but I wouldn't be surprised to see Kobe/Ariza/Odom/Pau/Bynum in the 4th quarters soon.

All right, I understand you're happy. But it's not being the Clippers, it's being the Clippers without any of their legit frontcourt players.

That lineup wouldn't work, you'd have to go away from the triangle and teams would throw a box'n'1 at you.

[turiaf for president]

I bet if I were 7 feet, athletic and had Kareem f'in Abdul Jabbar mentoring me from my senior year of high school to now ... I'd be pretty damn good. That's just showing up to work everyday and wanting to improve.

hahahahaha thats bs. u think its that easy? if it is why doesnt every freakin team hire a hall of fame big man to be a big man coach then? you are giving yourself too much credit there buddy

[stretch]

Bynum plays decent man defense, but he has low defensive IQ. He can be exposed easily with lots of pick and roll, backdoor cuts, and motion. Every time i've seen him, when there is motion in the offense, he gets completely lost, and looks stupid as . He also is a big crybaby and gets in spurts where he plays softer than Pau Gasoft has ever played in his life.

He has a lot of potential, but a lot of Laker fans think too highly of the kid right now.