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    The basic principles of adherence to the rule of law aren't necessarily cons utionally-defined.

    But I think the Cons ution should be, if nothing else, the aspirational view for treating everyone because it fundamentally represents our belief in basic human rights principles. When this War began, one thing that President Bush preached was his unwillingness to change America's fundamental respect for human rights in prosecuting a war against those who despise our values. I'd argue that the prosecution of the war to this point has eroded that commitment to some degree and I think President Obama is right to refocus our efforts upon successfully defending the homeland while at the same time standing true to the cons utional guarantees that we hold so dear.

    And, by the way, if the Gitmo detainees were tried for criminal conduct against Americans based upon principles of American law, you can be damned certain that those persons would be en led to cons utional protections in that process. The comparison is somewhat inapt, but it's undoubtedly true that if a Mexican citizen commits a crime in Texas and is tried for that crime by Americans, all of the protections afforded by the Cons ution apply to that Mexican citizen in the course of that trial.

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    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    Bueller?
    Seriously crooks, what can be done in Gitmo that can't be done elsewhere?

    Again I use the Ramzi Yousef example.
    Fry?

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    crooks can't be happy without fear. she swallowed every inch.

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    Considering other detention centers exist, or could exist, are we any safer for having a world wide eyesore and neo-con spectacle of a prison on the shores of some twisted Cuban bay? I would say not. And so leaving it open is basically just a measure to appease the dumb ing sheep who want the illusion of safety (the 22 percenters, as I think of them). And that's dumb and it's a policy I personally... and most of the nation, wouldn't subscribe to.
    22 percenters?

    man, that is classic

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    The basic principles of adherence to the rule of law aren't necessarily cons utionally-defined.

    [sic]

    And, by the way, if the Gitmo detainees were tried for criminal conduct against Americans based upon principles of American law, you can be damned certain that those persons would be en led to cons utional protections in that process. The comparison is somewhat inapt, but it's undoubtedly true that if a Mexican citizen commits a crime in Texas and is tried for that crime by Americans, all of the protections afforded by the Cons ution apply to that Mexican citizen in the course of that trial.
    I think I have asked you this before, I cant remember...

    Are you a Cons utional Lawyer? Or some other specialization?

    I know lawyers, they dont necessarily have your grasp of Federal law... , half of them cant get local law right.

    Obviously, you dont have to answer any of this if its something you wish not to discuss.

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    God damn that house negro

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    I find it funny how he refers to "Greg" on what the executive orders are in the future. Who's in Charge?


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    Clearly Obama is in charge.

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    WC is twitting Obama for needing help with his homework.

    Classic!

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    Why is Gitmo such a burr in the butt of your average liberal?

    Just curious.


    If it's true that what they're doing in Gitmo could be done in your average max security prison, then why not leave them where they are? What would be accomplished by moving them?

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    When the rednecks are in uproar it's usually a good thing.

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    Why is Gitmo such a burr in the butt of your average liberal?

    Just curious.


    If it's true that what they're doing in Gitmo could be done in your average max security prison, then why not leave them where they are? What would be accomplished by moving them?
    Why is it there in the first place?

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    When the rednecks are in uproar it's usually a good thing.

    In time your backwards ideology that has recently plagued this country's goverment will slowly come to an end.

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    did obama close down the school of the americas, did he stop the rendition programs... closing gitmo is just smoke and mirrors.. if he was serious about torture he would have shut down the school of the americas today....

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    obama can just clean this up easily, leave them in cuba, let castro deal with it

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    Just because it's bugging me--it's spelled **Gandhi** not Ghandi.

    carry on

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    Why is Gitmo such a burr in the butt of your average liberal?
    Because arbitrary detention and torture are unamerican and contrary to our traditions. Plus which we're bound by treaty and statute not to torture and humiliate prisoners.

    If treaty, statute, long standing American tradition, moral conscience, rational self-interest and the decent opinion of mankind don't persuade you I don't know what will, DarrinS.

    BTW, you don't have to be liberal to believe this.

    If it's true that what they're doing in Gitmo could be done in your average max security prison, then why not leave them where they are? What would be accomplished by moving them?
    Um, that stuff is not supposed to happen in American prisons either. Americans live there. o?

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    I find it funny how he refers to "Greg" on what the executive orders are in the future. Who's in Charge?
    Why are you so bitter? You need to remove that stick.

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    Because arbitrary detention and torture are unamerican and contrary to our traditions. Plus which we're bound by treaty and statute not to torture and humiliate prisoners.

    If treaty, statute, long standing American tradition, moral conscience, rational self-interest and the decent opinion of mankind don't persuade you I don't know what will, DarrinS.

    BTW, you don't have to be liberal to believe this.

    Um, that stuff is not supposed to happen in American prisons either. Americans live there. o?


    At least you had a well thought-out answer. Thanks.

    BTW, if only American prisoners had it as good as Gitmo prisoners.

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    Darrin, I've been to GTMO. Now, granted, I went in 02, and I didn't see any interrogation chambers or anything like that, but I can certainly tell you it's no club med.

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    Darrin, I've been to GTMO. Now, granted, I went in 02, and I didn't see any interrogation chambers or anything like that, but I can certainly tell you it's no club med.


    Well, I don't think it was designed to be a resort.


    Would these people be more comfortable at San Quentin?

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    Well, I don't think it was designed to be a resort.


    Would these people be more comfortable at San Quentin?
    wouldn't it be more appropriate for bush to take them with him?

    if texas is so happy to have him back, shouldn't that include the baggage?

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    wouldn't it be more appropriate for bush to take them with him?

    if texas is so happy to have him back, shouldn't that include the baggage?

    That was just dumb. Don't become a boutons. You're better than that.

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    That was just dumb. Don't become a boutons. You're better than that.
    i'm from n. ireland and i know more about the principles that this country was built on.

    why else would you want to kill habeas corpus?(sp)

    why would you just let bush walk away from it?

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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    Those who were "innocent" probably weren't - they just didn't have enough evidence against them.

    So human rights take precedence over national security - makes me feel all warm and fuzzy!
    That's funny - those detainees are living better than they ever did in their home country!
    These are NOT American citizens! They are not en led to the same protections afforded us under the cons ution.

    They're terrorists who would slit your throat just as quickly as mine - they don't care about your political views. I don't care what they do to them - I wouldn't be sad if an "accident" happened at Gitmo and all of the detainees died. Send them to their 72 virgins!
    Let the insults and criticisms commence...
    ok...

    you're a stupid ing that I wouldn't mind got shot in the ing face. So you think Americans are the only ones who should get basic rights you ignorant . You're the reason why America's image is so in need of a complete ing overhaul. Ignorant jackasses like yourself give every other decent, intelligent and informed American a bad name. Hope you get run over by a truck.

    ok, insults and criticisms, over.

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