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Andre Blatche/Jamison and DeAndre Jordan/Skinner.
Still, hes coming along well, just calm the down to prevent making a of urself.
And giving Kareem all the credit and none to Bynum
One idiot here even thinks he could be an All-Star if he was 7 foot and had Kareem tutoring him. Give me a ing break
Andre Blatche/Jamison and DeAndre Jordan/Skinner.
Still, hes coming along well, just calm the down to prevent making a of urself.
STFU you already look like an idiot. I've said it all along wait till the playoffs roll around. You guys have no en eye for talent. Not really hard to see that he will be a top center in this League for many many years if he stays healthy.
And giving Kareem all the credit and none to Bynum
One idiot here even thinks he could be an All-Star if he was 7 foot and had Kareem tutoring him. Give me a ing break
Fail .. no one is giving Bynum any credit because all we've heard is how great he's going to become, over and over and over, with no real reason why except he's 7' and on the Lakers. I'm reaching for reasons it'll ever come true since I kinda like the kid.
And Bynum's already proved my "raw 7footer" point right, considering you yourself have said Bynum had nothing going for him except his height and athletic abilities. I said if I had the same things he did, I would have a variety of post moves ... not that'd I'd be all all-star. Bynum's not an all-star, where did you even get all-star from?
The fact is, what kareem has managed to do for this kid should be a shining example for other teams who think a player has high potential but is too raw .. remember, the original argument I made was that Dhoward would have just as many post moves as Bynum had he been working with Kareem this whole time.
And he torched Duncan in the first half of the Spurs game last week. You do remember that right? He also defended Duncan quite well. Then Phil took him out in the 4th and Timmy abused Pau down the stretch for the win.
It's not like Kareem was the only big man to ever play that had great post moves. Kareem doesn't have some kind of secret handbook that nobody else knows about. In fact Kareem has tutored a variety of players who simply never panned out, so your argument goes right out the window. The player himself has to have the talent and IQ to go out there and execute what he is being taught.
I already covered that in a couple replies:
a) Most post (and basketball) moves are uniform in procedure. Learning them is much simpler than pulling them off in a gametime situation. Example: If you've ever played basketball, you know you might be able to pull off a crossover, just not Allen Iverson's crossover.
b) A player must have a high enough BB Iq to use the right move, at the right time. Just watch Tim Duncan any given night and he'll show you the largest variety of post moves you'll see in today's NBA - fakes, up and under, spin moves, and hook shots are all on display nightly. But he knows when to use each and every move so it will be the most effective.
Now to your actual post:
Bynum has no goto move right now, and most of his baskets are assisted (though with his last couple performances, this may have gone down a little). Whether he develops one or not is still a question IMO. A prime example of how my argument stands up was on display last night: Against the Boston Celtics defense, Howard was stifled all night. He got no open dunks and took only 10 shots. The reason why? He's not that great of a passer, and he has very few reliable post moves. Yet he's still the best center in the NBA right now. Imagine if Kareem had been teaching him since he was drafted..
This also goes along with my argument against Orlando's success in this year's postseason. Dwight Howard is going to have to play out of his mind against a team like Boston, whose perimeter defenders are not going to allow open looks or miss rotations come playoff time. That team once again will wilt - I mean they lost to the Pistons last season in 5 for Chrissakes.
Another note is that Boston is going to do the same to Bynum if LA comes through to the Finals (and Boston).
Last edited by z0sa; 01-23-2009 at 12:05 PM.
If you are still questioning whether Andrew will develop a go-to post move by this point you really don't know about basketball.
He's 21 years old and putting up solid numbers despite playing 28-30 mpg and playing around 3 other stars. He will develop in time, I know you're praying he won't.
The Celtics are in for a real world of hurt against the Lakers. They have no answer for Bynum/Gasol/Odom. And with no Posey, the Celtics have no one to stop Kobe. KG can't leave Pau to double on Kobe (as seen in the Christmas Day game).
KG & Perkins are both around 6'10. Bynum and Pau are both over 7'.
But it gets worse for the C's. Their main Center off the bench is Leone Powe 6'8 and Glenn Davis 6'7 and 6'9 Brian Scalabrine.
I hope you're not referring to Lamar Odom as a star, because he's not.
I don't think size is a real issue for Boston Perkins and Davis are strong enough to deal with bynum or gasol despite the size deficit.
We shall see if both teams make it but truth of the matter is the final 4 barring injuries will be Lakers, Cavs, Celts and Spurs ...Celts had hands full with a weaker Cavs team LAST year ...Spurs will have to deal with Bynum us with healthy Manu ...
@ this ing thread.Bynum started out slow, but it looks like he is getting back to his January form of last season. It's funny how people say " well it's only the clippers" and "the wizards" regarding his performances, yea like every big man can drop 42 and 15 on the clippers right? It's so easy that Erick Dampier, Kwame, Kendrick Perkins and Dalembert can do it too right? outta here with that bull .
Give the kid props, it's not like he was a highly touted lottery pick when he came out of school with expectations to be a franchise player like Dwight was. Bynum was the definition of a "Project", lakers fans as myself didn't expect him to be this good so soon at this point of his career. He's passed expectations by far i'll say. For all of his hard work, glad to see it pay off for him.
As far as naming the top center, only Shaq, Dwight and Yao are better than Drew at this point. As far as Al Jeff and Okafor? Please. Bynum would average big numbers too if he were on a lottery team as the main man and got all the touches he want ( Like jeff).
You think the Bobcats would hesitate for a second to ship Okafor's ass outta Charlotte if the Lakers got stupid and decided to trade drew?
Bynum and Gasol would abuse the living outta Glen Davis, too short, they can just shoot right over him. Bynum will fare much better against perk that Gasol or Odom did in the finals last year since he's a much bugger guy than they are. He can battle Perk in the paint.
You are right for gasol. But bynum is not exactly a shooter. With his strength Davis could probably deny bynum easy access to the rim. I am not saying Davis is good enough to do it (honestly I don't know). Just that it is not only a matter of size.
I remember seing Boris Diaw defending on Yao very well, just keeping him out of the paint.
When Davis is on the floor, either Pierce or Garnett isn't. Unless Davis is center, then the Lakers get an edge with Gasol or Odom offensively, or just rely on the back court to score or pass. Davis still has to prove he can guard Bynum.
Actually i dont really remember him torching Duncan at all. But then again when was the last time you said anything accurate or non troll worthy. But we'll go with what sounds good?
When will you stop making things up to suit your argument? You just give flat out wrong 'facts' all the time.
KG is probably 7'0" rather than his listed 6'11", thats story has been around the league since, well, about 1998. Gasol has no mis match on Garnett in terms of size, none at all. In fact its probably the other way around given Garnetts athelticism.
Perkins, being 6'10" still probably has the 'size' mismatch on Gasol given his sheer bulk and strength, which he proved last year. Now, he will spend most of his time guarding Bynum who has about 2 inches on him, yet in the past Perkins has more than held his own against Bynum, in fact hes probably outplayed him in H2H match ups.
The problem will be the backups. I dont think Big Baby will see much time in a series between the two teams, maybe only spot minutes behind Perkins if he gets in foul trouble with Powe. All he will be able to hope do is to keep Bynum from getting good position and good catches. After that, its over.
Powe wont have too many problems against Odom like you say, hes pretty quick and atheltic and not a horrible defensive player.
Since we know Sterns is gonna make sure the Lakers are in the Finals this year.You Laker fans better hope Bi-num doesn't cost you any games with his undependable free throw shooting like Shaq did.
I said "around 6'10", I think KG is closer to 6'10 than he is to 7'. But who cares? Pau has at least 1-2 inches on KG....that is the point. I didn't say they have a mismatch on both Bynum and Gasol, they have a mismatch on one or the other. KG can defend 1 of them well but not both. And Bynum has 2-3 inches on both KG and Perkins.
During the recent Christmas game, Perkins couldn't guard Bynum one on one. That's why KG had to help so much on him leaving Pau open for wide open shots.Perkins, being 6'10" still probably has the 'size' mismatch on Gasol given his sheer bulk and strength, which he proved last year. Now, he will spend most of his time guarding Bynum who has about 2 inches on him, yet in the past Perkins has more than held his own against Bynum, in fact hes probably outplayed him in H2H match ups.
Last year, the C's didn't have to worry about Pau/Odom cuz they had the size advantage. But this year, the Lakers have the clear advantage. Celtics cannot guard both Pau and Bynum, 1 yes, but not both.
Lakers play the Celtics in a couple of weeks, just watch Perkins on Bynum, it's no matchup unless he gets help and that leaves other guys open.
Celtics are way too small for the Lakers, and that's a fact, especially when the next two backup big men are 6'8 and 6'7 respectively.
Last edited by Allanon; 01-23-2009 at 10:53 PM.
1. Perkins is bigger than you think. Basketball players don't rebound with the top of their heads.
Kendrick Perkins:
Standing Reach: 9' 4.5"
Wingspan: 7' 6.5"
Andrew Bynum:
Standing Reach: 9' 4"
Wingspan: 7' 6"
I'm sorry for the bad news.
2.Have you watched the game? With 4 minutes to go, Gasol was 4-10 FG and 10 points - a completely non-factor. He scored all those later shots, in a 2 minutes stretch, from Kobe's dribble drives - that the C's failed to stop - , Bynum had nothing to do with it. You're just making up things.During the recent Christmas game, Perkins couldn't guard Bynum one on one. That's why KG had to help so much on him leaving Pau open for wide open shots.
3. Perkins was playing that game with a dislocated shoulder. However, he didn't have much of a problem with Bynum, like he never had in the past. Bynum struggles with bigger, fundamentally solid post defenders, like Perkins.
Lakers fans are reading way too much on a reg. season game that was a tie with 3 minutes to go... lots of confidence in beating a team that defends and rebounds way better than them. Oh well, perhaps this is the year a team can win the le by outscoring the opponents.
Bynum is pretty good for a C at freebies.
Damn thats some impressive measurements for Perkins. Essentially, he plays bigger than Bynum, despite being 2 inches shorter. I would think Garnett would have a bigger standing reach than Gasol despite probably being an inch shorter.
I dont even know why there is all this talk about boston and the lakers in the finals. The Lakers will be playing the Spurs for the rights to play against the Cav's for the le.
Boston is ONE AND DONE... We'll see you again in 20 years or so...
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