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I personally believe in ID, but they should teach both & let the student decide which to believe. Make everyone happy in this politically correct world we live in today.
Madonna.
I personally believe in ID, but they should teach both & let the student decide which to believe. Make everyone happy in this politically correct world we live in today.
What a ing dumb ass.
"nothing more than animals" ....what's so wrong with animals, and being one?
"degrades their quality of life and robs them of meaning and purpose of life"
oh yeah for sure, it definitely degraded my life when I realized I evolved.... just kidding, I'm not a ing moron, there is nothing degrading about it. It's actually more of an upgrade. I won't get into the meaning and purpose of life right now. You obviously know how I feel about that.
"lying, cheating, stealing, promiscuity, chemical abuse, suicide, crime of all sorts and a reduction in academic achievement"
blah blah blah blah blah
since people can't just be good simply because they want to and realize it's correct.
I know the most religious girl who cheated on a guy twice... this stupid idea that you need religion to have morals is completely invalid.
that sure would make everyone happy, wouldn't it?
Yes, unfortunately it would..temporarily. Until creationism gained traction and we just went ahead and did away with all that "silly" science huff-and-puff.
I mean, whats easier for children to understand and pass requisite tests on, right?
The slow evolution through favorable and unfavorable mutations?
Or "God did it"?
We want to compete with the rest of the world right? Well Hallelujah! We've found a way around that tricky "lags in science" part, now we just need to find a way for God to be responsible for mathematics and we're golden!
If god were an economist, we would never have been in this recession.
man, you're a
ID is not science; it is in complete opposition. It is equivalent to teaching atheism in church. Alternate viewpoints that cannot justify themselves do not belong in the argument. Why not teach the alternative viewpoint of radical Islam?
Can I ask you something? Youre from Argentina, and maybe its a horrible assumption to say youre Catholic and that a vast majority of your population is as well.
Does Argentina have this sort of debate in their schools?
If God were a weatherman, we wouldnt have to shovel snow.
Lets not make this another does God exist debate. These debates never go anywhere because neither side could prove anything factual. I was like Miamiheat when I younger, and I started out as a believer in Christianity and everything that goes with the teaching of Judeo-Christian values. Then I went to school and turned my belief outside down. I started to question everything, and also my own existence. Evolution didn't explain the creation of the cell or what happened before the big bang. Then I started to read books on theology, Biology, Darwin, chemistry/Alchemy, Anthropology, etc. Then I started to research Physics and read about the most famous physicist of the known world: Newton, Einstein, Planck, Kaku, Witten. These guys weren't/aren't religious or believed in any god from any of the world religions, but they believed in a "Higher Power" . They kept their minds open and didn't shut the door on "God" entirely. I agree with letting people decide what to believe in, because that's is what is going to spur along in our evolution. Everybody will eventually find out the big questions when they die, but until then Miamiheat, no ten encierres.
Thanks baseline for already deconstructing the fallacious arguments presented by the luddites quoted in the article.
“Teaching students that they evolved and are nothing more than animals, degrades their quality of life and robs them of meaning and purpose of life,” Muralt said. “The fruits of this God-denying teaching are lying, cheating, stealing, promiscuity, chemical abuse, suicide, crime of all sorts and a reduction in academic achievement.”
No, poor parenting and decaying values lead to all those things, and dressing up ID as science is simply LYING TO THE KIDS since it is not scientific at all, as has been proven time and again in legal battles over this issue.
And as for "God-denying teaching", what utter horse - the issue is not God-denying, the issue is conflating God with science in the science classroom. Want to indoctrinate your kids into the Church, fine, but keep it out of the science classroom.
This debate absolutely astounds me. As an ecologist by training, I spent 3 years reading the evidence for evolution by natural selection, and it is overwhelming... it is bloody obvious to anyone with their eyes open. And yet these ignorant Bible-leteralists still want to claim that the earth is 7000 years old and we just popped into existence fully-formed.
Um, no. ID is not science. You cannot teach it in the science classroom. It violates the basic principles of science.
You spending eternity in ?No, poor parenting and decaying values lead to
What has been proven? Please don't tease us!all those things, and dressing up ID as science is simply LYING TO THE KIDS since it is not scientific at all, as has been proven time and again in legal battles over this issue.
Are you saying Evolution is a science?And as for "God-denying teaching", what utter horse - the issue is not God-denying, the issue is conflating God with science in the science classroom. Want to indoctrinate your kids into the Church, fine, but keep it out of the science classroom.
Since your in a horn tooting mood Please post some facts you uncovered, I hear all your resumes and education every time you post and have yet to see any results!This debate absolutely astounds me. As an ecologist by training, I spent 3 years reading the evidence for evolution by natural selection, and it is overwhelming... it is bloody obvious to anyone with their eyes open. And yet these ignorant Bible-leteralists still want to claim that the earth is 7000 years old and we just popped into existence fully-formed.
I can't believe you can be that dense that faith and speculation equates to science in your mind.
Psssst! I know it's been a long day at Kinkos but as soon as you get home and your Mom draws you a nice warm bath with your favorite Jurassic park bubble bath get back online and show me this proof you and that tree hugger FluffNNotReadyOzStale keeps talking about!
I am not the one claiming to be educated and spent 3 years on the subject. Personally i don't give a rats ass where i came from monkey or some Powerful being. I just hate fools that claim they know and can't back it.
Last edited by johnsmith.; 01-23-2009 at 08:12 PM.
I have noticed a pattern here in the Club about these topics.
A: the folks who want ID taught in the schools are ok with the school having Evolution they just want the kids to hear both sides.
But the Atheist don't want ID in the schools just evolution. Is that fare and mature?
B:The people in this forum that support ID seem to want to help others from a eternity of Damnation for not believing in a creator. (A nice act)
And the people in this forum who support Evolution seem to insult others and seem to have a chip on their shoulders.(A rude act)
C:The people who support Evolution seem to be very rude and cold hearted.
(MiamiHeat)
The people who support a creator seem to be nice. (Angle Luv)
So since i have seen no one in this forum show any proof of a God or proof man evolved from a fish?
I will just used my common sense and side with the fact that having the sun and water and air and trees fish and flowers just seems to much like a designer so I will have to side with nice people.
It just feels right.
You called on RuffNReady to prove intelligent design is not science. I'll take the question though.
1. Observational evidence: There is absolutely no observational evidence for a man in the sky who designed everything. No blueprints, no notes. There's nothing physical that even hints there is a man in the sky, much less one who was our designer.
2. Lack of testing: The existence of your god is not testable. You paint it as some supernatural being outside of the realm of science, so how is it then testable by science? Show me an experiment that answers the age-old question that doesn't involve shotguns or jumping off the Tower of Americas. You can claim a feeling inside or quote scripture, but that is not hard evidence. You may even be right, but IDs arguments are non-physical and have no place in a discipline that requires evidence.
3. Analysis: What analysis is there in ID? You form an opinion, have no data to argue for it, and then just repeat it louder when it's challenged. Intelligent design is dogma; it never changes; it's never retested; it's tradition. Tradition is not a tool capable of establishing truth.
You have to be one of whottt's trolls to be so boneheaded as to not see that faith and scientific rigor are mutually exclusive and incompatible ideas, at least in the physical realm. I cannot see walking into a bible-study and telling them it's physically impossible for a human such as Moses to live 900 years or for a dead person to be resurrected, but that's the equivalent of what you want here. Good luck in your quest to turn us into the North American Iran though.
Last edited by baseline bum; 01-23-2009 at 08:44 PM.
Do you know how hard it is to create the human eye? Why is it if man is so smart he cant figure out how to make a flower or a leaf? Just because some ant farm in some kids basement in Cleveland Ohio has a few ants that disagree with each other i am sure there is an ant like you saying "Oh Yeah? if we were put here then where are the blue prints?"
And I am sure there are a few ants like myself that don't need any blueprints to know we were put there. After all I don't see any blue prints of the Alamo and yet it's there.
Look I can go round and round with you all night long. It's like arguing with a pin head in the politics forum who thinks Bush had no idea 9/11 was ever going to happen.
But keep in mind this much, I am not the one who needs to have proof. Every time I look at a bird feed its young or a Doctor doing heart surgery on a young child, I have all the proof I need of intelligent design. It's the low IQ people like yourselves who really seek proof. Your small mind can't comprehend a creator, your ego will not allow it.
You want to be the ruler of your own destiny, the truth is the Atheist have to deny a creator or else they will be guilty of sinning and that is the real reason Darwin and all the other lost souls rather believe we came from space dust over billions of years ago and evolved into the asshats we see in the mirror everyday.
You're a ing idiot. It's like you don't read any post that disagrees with your world view.
Mouse, it's not just the atheists in this forum that believe that ID should not be taught, it's the court system that has stricken it down before. I can give you the case and the outcome if you like.I have noticed a pattern here in the Club about these topics.
A: the folks who want ID taught in the schools are ok with the school having Evolution they just want the kids to hear both sides.
But the Atheist don't want ID in the schools just evolution. Is that fare and mature?
B:The people in this forum that support ID seem to want to help others from a eternity of Damnation for not believing in a creator. (A nice act)
And the people in this forum who support Evolution seem to insult others and seem to have a chip on their shoulders.(A rude act)
C:The people who support Evolution seem to be very rude and cold hearted.
(MiamiHeat)
The people who support a creator seem to be nice. (Angle Luv)
So since i have seen no one in this forum show any proof of a God or proof man evolved from a fish?
I will just used my common sense and side with the fact that having the sun and water and air and trees fish and flowers just seems to much like a designer so I will have to side with nice people.
It just feels right.
I happen to believe in both evolution and God. My common sense says we look pretty similar to monkeys and I am also with you in common sense says to me there is some kind of design.
Problem is that ID is not something that can stand up to the rigors of the scientific method. Evolution can. Therefore, one can be taught in science class, the other can't.
This has been the end result in the court battles.
7 day creationists have tried to get more and more creative, even changing the term to 'intelligent design' in order to slide it past.........but the outcome hasn't changed.
So much for Intelligent design.
Go your mother, mouse. Write a post to me when you stay on the point of the question, and quit playing the victim card when you talk way more than MiamiHeat or I do.
I WANT THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS.
How dare you exclude us who believe in the almighty carbohydrate?
I mean, all we are asking for is for the students to hear all views.
That goes for Evolution, ID, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
You better not exclude FSM, or you will be a giant hypocrite.
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