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Why exactly do people refer to Porter as defensive minded?
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11294057
NEW YORK -- Steve Nash stood in the corner of the visiting locker room at Madison Square Garden, his whispered tone barely audible after another inexplicable defeat. Moments later, Shaquille O'Neal sat in front of his locker and provided his typically blunt brand of Shaq-analysis.
On the other side of the room, Amare Stoudemire adjusted his cufflinks and brushed lint off his snazzy vest while delivering what qualified as the most forthright indictment of the Phoenix Suns' downfall. Stoudemire marveled at the freewheeling play of Wednesday night's opponent, Mike D'Antoni's Knicks, and seemed to be longing for the days when the Suns had that much fun playing basketball.
Those days appear to be over. The sun may be dipping below the horizon on Phoenix's four-year run of near-greatness.
"You want to play free," Stoudemire was saying after the listless Suns suc bed to the Knicks 114-109, their fourth loss in five games. "You want to play organized basketball, but you do want to have some type of playground atmosphere -- the type of at ude where guys can't stop you and everybody's having fun. That type of at ude is what we're looking for and what we need."
A week ago, the Suns had won three straight -- including impressive victories over Dallas and Atlanta -- and were beginning to feel good about themselves for the first time since the latest foundation-shaking trade that sent D'Antoni mainstays Boris Diaw and Raja Bell to Charlotte for Jason Richardson.
Until their current slide, which includes consecutive road losses to the Celtics and Knicks and a home loss to the lowly Timberwolves, there was unanimity within the organization to ride through the rest of the season with the roster intact and resist the urge to make any more major changes. But the recent trend is so disturbing that rival executives believe the Suns have quickly changed course and are "re-evaluating" that position.
At various times this season, the Suns have conveyed a willingness to move backup point guard Leandro Barbosa -- another D'Antoni favorite -- if the right deal came along. Given Phoenix's lackluster play of late, CBSSports.com has learned that the organization might now be open to considering a much bigger deal -- one involving Stoudemire.
Having played five games in seven nights including two sets of back-to-backs, the Suns' elder statesmen -- Shaq, Nash and Grant Hill -- wouldn't admit it, but they were tired. One might have expected a pick-me-up from Stoudemire, the team's youngest star at 26. Instead, Stoudemire gave the Suns nothing in consecutive losses at Boston and New York, shooting a combined 6-for-24 -- including 0-for-7 against the Celtics.
Stoudemire has made no attempt to hide his frustration with the 180-degree change in offensive approach from D'Antoni to Terry Porter, who has had little choice but to run the offense through O'Neal in the post. As the high pick-and-roll man with Nash in the D'Antoni system, Stoudemire put up massive numbers last season -- his second full year since returning from microfracture surgery -- averaging 25.2 points and 9.1 rebounds while shooting 59 percent.
It was not lost on Stoudemire that David Lee -- a power forward with modest offensive skills -- had 25 points and 16 rebounds Wednesday night while punishing Phoenix in the high pick-and-roll.
"I think Mike's offense allowed guys to play free and comfortable and play with confidence," Stoudemire said. "I'm not saying this offense is wrong, because we've got Big Fella. Big Fella's playing well for us. We've just got to play with confidence. We've got to play free, just go out there and play hard and have fun doing it."
Nash, who holds D'Antoni in the highest regard, is reluctant to praise his former coach too much -- lest he betray his true feelings about the direction of the team and Porter's style.
"He took his style and brought it to New York," Nash said. "I'm going to be very careful not to say something that sounds like one's better than the other."
Before the Suns' current slump, Nash said he was "feeling pretty good about our team and felt like we had turned a corner. So to take two steps back here lately has been frustrating, and I wish I had the answers for it. ... Why that's continuing to happen, I don't know why."
The overriding answer is that team president Steve Kerr -- at the behest of fickle owner Robert Sarver -- decided to roll the dice and acquire O'Neal before last February's trade deadline, then attempted to force a different style of play on D'Antoni, who fled to New York in the offseason.
"This is a gamble well worth taking," Kerr said of the Shaq trade at the time.
But hiring the defensive-minded Porter has rendered the Suns unrecognizable from the up-tempo, intimidating force that averaged 58 wins the past four seasons while losing twice in the conference finals, once in the semifinals and once in the first round. The disappointment and bewilderment is apparent in the Suns locker room and will only continue to fester if they don't find some answers on a grueling, six-game trip winding down in Charlotte, Atlanta and Washington.
"I'm not sure we have the confidence that we used to have, knowing that teams are afraid of us," Stoudemire said. "I don't think that confidence is there anymore."
The re-evaluation under way in Phoenix, according to sources, could very well point to a change in strategy with regard to Stoudemire, who has an early-termination option after the 2009-10 season and, if he doesn't exercise it, would be an unrestricted free agent seeking a max deal in 2011. Trading him now is problematic; he'd either take his new team out of the running for a second max free agent in 2010 if he doesn't opt out, or present the unsavory option of leaving as a free agent after only one year.
It's not impossible, though. Based on his feelings for D'Antoni, it's clear Stoudemire would accept a trade to New York and provide reasonable assurances that he'd re-sign there. But just as the Suns have grown tired of Stoudemire's lack of defense and frequent complaints about playing style, D'Antoni might be especially wary having coached him for five years.
Though he certainly possesses the size and athleticism to defend, Stoudemire long has struggled to make an impact on that end of the floor. Under D'Antoni, for whom Stoudemire produced 21 30-point games last season, those deficiencies were masked. With Shaq clogging the middle this season, Stoudemire has managed only three 30-point games and is getting fewer close-in baskets; 62.5 percent of his field goals have been at the rim compared with 70 percent last season, according to the Arizona Republic.
More to the point, Stoudemire's inability or unwillingness to meet Porter's defensive demands are no longer so easily disguised. Stunningly, he has averaged 5.7 rebounds in the last 11 games. Phoenix is one of 12 teams allowing more than 100 points per game, and of those, only Denver has a clear path to the playoffs.
"We've got to defend," O'Neal said, leaving little to the imagination in what seemed to be an indictment of Stoudemire's defensive play. "We've got to be there when the rotations call for us to be there. ... You've just got to be there and you've got to want to play defense."
The Suns grew tired of Shawn Marion for different reasons and shipped him to Miami in the Shaq deal. Marion, with a $17.2 million expiring contract, is on the verge of being traded again after failing to make the kind of impact he so often felt he was denied in Phoenix, given the assortment of talent he supported.
Could Stoudemire be next? The next four weeks before the Feb. 19 trade deadline will be crucial -- for the Suns and for Stoudemire. The Suns can't change the direction they're going. If Stoudemire doesn't want to go with them, it could be time for another kind of change.
Why exactly do people refer to Porter as defensive minded?
dude, the starters (not named shaq ) arent buying into his system, that's the problem. they are unhappy with defense, they still wanan play 7 sec or less. Tthat's why the suns need to get rid of amare for a bunch of less ego roll players asap or maybe get dirk who had no ego.
but amare is a starter in the all star
An Amare/Dirk trade with a couple of other players thrown in (Howard, Barnes, Dampier, Barbosa etc.) would be interesting. Both teams need to do something.
I agree there but that doesn't make Porter a good defensive coach. Would they be better if everyone cared about D as much as Grant Hill and Shaq? Yes, but they'd still be mediocre defensively.
There are two opinions being held among Suns fans right now. One side thinks it's all Kerr and Sarver's fault for changing the team and scrapping SSOL. The other side blames Amare and Nash for making it impossible for this team to play consistent D and ing up the chemistry by not giving D a chance.
One side isn't completely right and one side isn't completely wrong, the players/coaches/front office/ownership is collectively responsible for this cluster and they all did things to feed it.
Not gonna happen.
i put the blame on nash since he is the leader of that team, like or not. instead of sucking up and try to make things work, he mopes around feeding the other mopers on that team. he is especially empowering amare to do/say whatever he want.
What about this trade?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...~5~5&te=&cash=
they play defense up in cleveland.
That would put Cle over the top.
I think that is a good trade for both teams. Cavs get another athletic big to run and he will like playing with lebron. Barbosa is a good fit and can do some of the things that Gibson does.
Suns get a guard who is slightly better than Barbosa imo, they get a young, upside big and a big who hustles and is a team player. They get another shooter to space the floor and almost get all of Amares contract off the books with the expiring.
I don't want that goofy that flails around like he's playing soccer and has Robin Lopez hair. At this point I would want them to get rid of Amare just for the of it.
If Amare goes to Cleveland, have fun watching that team implode everyone!!!!
Yeah he'll love playing 2nd fiddle, he's made that perfectly clear by declaring he's THA MAN.
It would be worth it just to see those two nimrods playing next to each other.
No thanks. Dirk is a much better player than Amare
Dirk and Amare aren't even on the same tier. Granted I'm not a big fan of Dirk's one on one game, at least he has a one on one game. One player can create his own shot, the other can't. Not even comparable.
But perhaps not in the Jason Kidd era.
The great Jason Kidd could make Àmäré into the next Kenyon Martin. That's fugazy there, man.
Not if your a fan of the team with those two nimrods
Dirk is as good as he's ever been. Dirk is a much better player than Amare. It doesnt really get any simpler than that.
Trade him, so Bowen can start at the All star game!
It's really a lot more complicated than that.
Every year there is a legit reason why Amare doesn't average 35 points 20 rebounds and 12 blocks. The NBA is out to get Amare because he is so good and it would be unfair for the rest of the league if Amare didn't get jobbed as much as he says he does. If Amare was the only player on the roster and they didn't have any coaches that don't let him shoot every shot because they are jealous of his awesomeness the Suns would go 82-0 in the regular season and 16-0 in the playoffs.
Clearly this has been shown since he is THA MAN!!!!
I am actually surprised by the steep regression Amare has gone through this season. Last year, he seemed to be the player to profit the most from the Shaq trade. He was finally liberated from having to defend the pain all the time, and he was getting monster after monster game. Coming into the season I really did think that Amare was finally going to have a chance to put his name on the elite level of players in the league, All-NBA, MVP candidate type. Instead he has taken not one, but several steps backward. What happened??? Is it just because of Porter? And what exactly is bothering him with Porter, does he not want to play any defense at all or what?
If they trade him it will not be to a team in the West. Suns were my pick for 3-4 years. They were very good but the run is over. Owner needs to can Kerr,get rid of Nash (that guy has disapeared) Shaq soon will be gone (stupid,stupid trade) that will free up some cash,try to get draft picks for Amare and start from scratch. Phoenix is a pretty good franchise.
Suns sucks, Suns won`t make play-offs. Amare sucks. Nash is old and sucks. Porter sucks. Shaq doesn`t suck but he is too old, to led this to playoff.
Nash airball is priceless
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