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sadly the 14th amendment doesn't cover that. Maybe if they didn't spend all their time using the "Right to privacy" to get all those age old anti-gay laws reversed they would have a leg up on the public ins ution of marriage. Marriage isn't a right.
sadly the 14th amendment doesn't cover that. Maybe if they didn't spend all their time using the "Right to privacy" to get all those age old anti-gay laws reversed they would have a leg up on the public ins ution of marriage. Marriage isn't a right.
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Nobody said that. Whatever he thinks of the guy, I doubt Findog feels Larry Miller should be stripped of his human rights.
i don't know, I just wiki'd the guy cause I'd never heard of him, and this was one of the things in there. But you're right, you'd probably know more about him than I.
Any monopoly is a brilliant bussiness move. Not fair for the little guy, mind you but in a business sense it's genius.
definitely sounds like a .1. He owns a lot of businesses in SLC and I've heard a lot of stories, from a lot of people, detailing just how much he treats people who work for and serve him, like they were absolute . People worth a half billion dollars, that routinely treat other, less wealthy people, like , are about as low as it gets.
2. He's a bigot of epic proportion. Plain and simple.
3. Once I was parked behind him at a red light (1300 and So. Temple) waiting to turn right... and the mother er just wouldn't turn. He was waiting to turn too. He was just being a and waiting for a green light? WTF is that? There's no law about turning right at a red in SLC. I laid on my horn for a minute straight and the ignorant er just sat there and waited for the light. WTF is that?
4. He's heavily mormon and thereby lives in a nonsensical, delusional version of the world. He then wields his enormous economic influence in the local political arena so as to promote the horrid values of his cult.
5. When I was a senior in High School I went to a 4th of July party at his next door neighbor's house. In the middle of the day, even though there was acres of lawn between us, that er calls the cops. Dozens of kids get MIP's and their parents called by the cops. On the 4th of July...
I don't give a . Like I said, don't try to school me on my city's politics, or how or why they work. I've lived here and read the Utah page of the Salt Lake Tribune 22 years. 22 years. You have not. I'll appeal to as much ing authority as I please when talking to you.
Great. We all agree that LM, mormons and white people on Utah shall be treated with respect and not insulted or made the subject of calumnious insinuations due to the color of their skin, the size of their bank account and their religious beliefs.
This conversation is over for me, good to see it ended in good terms.
I'm not going to say that it isn't an economic engine. But yeah, it does over the little guy. And I guarantee you, guarantee, that the primary motivation for said monopolization is religious, not economical. Which makes it even more oppressive in the eyes of the average, poor, non-mormon .
"gaddamn crackas
I'm just trying to deal the cards"
At least he isn't a Scientologist. I can tolerate Mormons.
-Mars
You don't seem to grasp the difference between rights and respect. I'll call people s all day. But I'll damn sure let the real s get married or visit one another in the hospital without saying a damn thing.
I'll call Larry H. Miller a piece of till the day he drops dead, but I damn sure don't want to see him stripped of his rights as an American.
And when all the hardcore religious guys supporting this pass, there's going to be a guy in a suit ready to pick up the torch, cause people will pay anything for booze, and a cornered market is a cornered market
People can believe what they want, whether it's enlightened or corrosive. Once they begin lobbying for laws that restrict the rights of others, or advocate treating others as second-class citizens, they have crossed the threshold into bigotry. If Larry Miller doesn't want to befriend or interact with gays, that's his choice. When he donates money to Proposition 8 in California, he's crossed the line into bigotry.
The difference between myself and Larry Miller is that I do not believe Mormons should be stripped of rights or be second-class citizens. He, on the other hand, thinks gays do not deserve the same rights as he enjoys. You really just aren't very good at this.You can't have double-standards: people make personal choices, held personal beliefs, have different ways of living. However, you do believe gays should be treated with basic decency as fellow human beings, but Larry Miller shall not
Are you sure you respect every right? Do you respect the right of a hospital owner to not provide treatment to people he doesn't want to?
Really? People who disagree with you about a political choice are bigots? You do hate democracy, don't you?
Marriage is a civil ins ution that confers benefits and has implications when it comes to hospital visitation rights, health insurance benefits, property transfer, etc. The govt could get out of the business of issuing marriage licenses altogether and then each individual church could decide whether or not to perform same-sex ceremonies. That's one way to solve the problem.
Or gays in committed relationships could get the same benefits of marriage as straight couples. In my opinion, conservative Christians have no place to use their political influence to elect politicians that would deny gays the same benefits.
You have got to be one of the dumbest mother ers on here with the reading comprehension of a re . You have some serious frontal lobe damage if you got that from the passage you cited. Bigotry is not against the law, and I never called for Larry Miller to be treated as a criminal for it. It's his right to donate money to anti-gay causes. It's my right to exercise my free speech rights and rightly call him out as an asshat for it.
Larry Miller's political activity calls for restricting the rights of a class of citizens. It's his right to exercise his conscience, but for the benefit of society, we should hope his efforts don't succeed. Nowhere did I say he should be restrained from doing so.
You're pretty Christian right? You should be more pissed by mormons. Scientology is more out there in terms of irrationality, but at least it isn't claiming to be a third testament.
I mean truly, The Book of Mormon is sub led- Another Testament of Jesus Christ. And where they take him is just about the most blasphemous place a faith could go. So while it's not quite as whack as scientology (though close), mormonism pisses all over true Christianity.
He didn't cast a vote in the prop 8 election. He had no say in how it would turn out. 52% of the Cali electorate spoke up and cried out for change and they got it.
+1. I mean, WTF? I hate when people are so dumb you'd like to think they're trolling, but you know they're not. They're just that stupid.
So you'd have no problem with Islamic assholes beating their women?
I'm sorry, english is not my native language. Not even my 2nd or 3rd, it's not very often I have to use it. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
Anyway, I agree with you: Miller is an asshat because he holds a different worldview than yours, you're an asshat because you hold a different worldview than his. I don't see the point of the name calling between civilized adults, but to each his own.
He donated large sums of money to it, which is his right as a private citizen. Am I allowed to call him an asshat for that? Does it make me a "bigot" when I criticize a bigot? Because that is essentially what the other poster is arguing.
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