Jazz Owner Miller has Legs Amputated Below His Knees

[mogrovejo]

They are interfering with the privacy rights of consenting adults in that case. Incest and sexuality are two very different things.

If they are interfering with the privacy rights of adults (I see you define marriage as a privacy right), they are bigots and asshats, right? Why are stressing that incest and sexuality are two very different things? That's your personal opinion. Do you think incest is less respectable or something?

[Findog]

The only thing sexuality and incest have in common is that they are both to some degree stigmatized by society. In the case of sexuality, it is because ignorant people erroneously associate it with pedophilia. In the case of incest, it is seen as distasteful if between consenting adults, and criminal if coerced or occurring between an adult and a child.

[mogrovejo]

Personally, I'm against allowing marriage licenses to siblings, gays, straights, bisexuals, Mormons, Scientologists and beer drinkers.

[ClingingMars]

The only thing sexuality and incest have in common is that they are both to some degree stigmatized by society. In the case of sexuality, it is because ignorant people erroneously associate it with pedophilia. In the case of incest, it is seen as distasteful if between consenting adults, and criminal if coerced or occurring between an adult and a child.

incest also produces mentally disabled children. it's simply a bad idea.

[mogrovejo]

The only thing sexuality and incest have in common is that they are both to some degree stigmatized by society. In the case of incest, it is because ignorant people erroneously associate it with pedophilia. In the case of incest, it is seen as distasteful if between consenting adults, and criminal if coerced or occurring between an adult and a child.

So, sexuality isn't criminal if coerced or occuring between an adult and a child? Or are you associating incest with pedophilia?

[Findog]

incest also produces mentally disabled children. it's simply a bad idea.

Agreed. There is a much higher risk of problems with the offspring of incest. It's a bad, bad idea, but I don't know that it should be forbidden between consenting adults. Since 99% of people are naturally not attracted to their siblings and do not view them as sexual beings, it's not really a big problem.

For instance, I can objectively realize that by societal standards, my sister is exceptionally beautiful, but I do not desire her sexually in any way...whereas I would if she weren't my sister and I saw her walking down the street.

[Trainwreck2100]

incest also produces mentally disabled children. it's simply a bad idea.

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that was discussed in a seperate post the reason incest is a crime is cause a)it's in nasty b)the re thing. The incest being discussed here is between two sibling incapable of reproduction. If they can't reproduce then where's the justification for it being illegal.

[mogrovejo]

After all, people who would vote against the legalization of marriage between siblings are asshats and bigots or not?

[Findog]

So, sexuality isn't criminal if coerced or occuring between an adult and a child? Or are you associating incest with pedophilia?

sexuality and pedophilia are two entirely different orientations. A pedophile that fathers a child and then has sex with it when it reaches pre-pubescence is guilty of both incest and child molestation.

[mogrovejo]

sexuality and pedophilia are two entirely different orientations. A pedophile that fathers a child and then has sex with it when it reaches pre-pubescence is guilty of both incest and child molestation.

Uh? What about a sexual who sexually molests a child of the same sex? He's also a criminal, no?

What if a father has sex with his son or daughter with their consent (and after they reached the age of consent)? What's wrong with that? Why is this a crime? Why don't you defend the rights of these people? Why are you trying to associate the incest to pedophilia? What are you trying to insinuate here? And by aying "it's not natural..."? And who cares about the children? Marriage is about love between consenting adults, not about pregnancies, right?

[Findog]

Uh? What about a sexual who sexually molests a child of the same sex? He's also a criminal, no?

That's a pedophile, not a sexual. A sexual forms age-appropriate relationships with people of the same gender. Some pedophiles molest children of the opposite gender. Do we call them heterosexual? No, we call them pedophiles.

What if a father has sex with his son or daughter with their consent (and after they reached the age of consent)? What's wrong with that? Why is this a crime? Why don't you defend the rights of these people?

That is not a crime in my book. Don't project views onto me.

[mogrovejo]

Findog, people who would vote against the legalization of marriage between siblings are asshats and bigots or not? Yes or no?

The fact that you keep on associating incest to pedophilia and calling it "unnatural" and "seen as tasteless" scares me.

[Findog]

Findog, people who would vote against the legalization of marriage between siblings are asshats and bigots or not? Yes or no?

People who vote against the legalization of marriage between consenting adults are inhibiting the rights of their fellow citizens.

The fact that you keep on associating incest to pedophilia scares me and calling it "unnatural" and "seen as tasteless" scares me

Incest between consenting adults is not pedophilia. Incest that occurs between an adult and a child doubles as pedophilia. How is this hard for you?

[Trainwreck2100]

So Fin just to establish your position and I don't want to put words in your mouth so forgive me if I'm wrong and correct me as such.
"Findog is ok with a sibling marriage as long as its consentual, sterile, and of age"

[Findog]

So Fin just to establish your position and I don't want to put words in your mouth so forgive me if I'm wrong and correct me as such.
"Findog is ok with a sibling marriage as long as its consentual, sterile, and of age"

Yes. It should not be illegal. No church would ever perform such a ceremony, but such couples should be able to get a marriage license as long as the government is in the business of issuing them.

[balli]

If the question instead, were

Findog, people who would vote against the legalization of marriage between siblings, with no reproductive ability, are asshats and bigots or not? Yes or no?

I'm not findog, but I would say, yes, at the very least they're meddlesome asshats interfering in the business if others. Non-producing, incestuous people don't really exist in large enough numbers to say there's any bigotry being perpetrated against them, but hypothetically if they did, it would be bigoted to deny them private rights as their execution of such rights would pose no public threat whatsoever.

[mogrovejo]

People who vote against the legalization of marriage between consenting adults are inhibiting the rights of their fellow citizens.

I thought the reason you called Miller a bigot was because he was inhibiting the rights of their fellow citizens.

After all, I was wrong. You refuse to call bigots and asshats to people who do exactly the same thing.


And please, stop trying to associate people who practice incest with pedophiles. sexual acts between consenting adults is not pedophilia. sexual acts that occurs between an adult and a child doubles as pedophilia. Heterosexual acts between consenting adults is not pedophilia. Etc. Etc. Are people who practice incest more prone to be pedophiles? I don't think so. Therefore, let's stop with these erroneous and bigoted associations, okay?

[mogrovejo]

If the question instead, were


I'm not findog, but I would say, yes, at the very least they're meddlesome asshats interfering in the business if others. Non-producing, incestuous people don't really exist in large enough numbers to say there's any bigotry being perpetrated against them, but hypothetically if they did, it would be bigoted to deny them private rights as their execution of such rights would pose no public threat whatsoever.

Thanks for answering. What's the problem with the reproductive ability? I dont' get that. Isn't the reproductive ability a privacy right? Why should two healthy, adult brother and sister in love with each other be denied of their rights as citizens?

[Findog]

I thought the reason you called Miller a bigot was because he was inhibiting the rights of their fellow citizens.

After all, I was wrong. You refuse to call bigots and asshats to people who do exactly the same thing.

They are bigots if they do the same thing. I agree with this sentiment:

I'm not findog, but I would say, yes, at the very least they're meddlesome asshats interfering in the business if others

And please, stop trying to associate people who practice incest with pedophiles.

Considering I haven't once equated incest between consenting adults with pedophilia, could you please stop beating that dead horse? An adult who has sex with a child is a pedophile, whether the child is a blood relative or not.

[Trainwreck2100]

Thanks for answering. What's the problem with the reproductive ability? I dont' get that. Isn't the reproductive ability a privacy right? Why should two healthy, adult brother and sister in love with each other be denied of their rights as citizens?

cause their baby could grow up a re due to a snaller gene pool

[baseline bum]

Yeah, unless it was voluntary. I don't have a problem with people who practice SM.

If it isn't voluntary, then I have a problem - as it is a violation of the natural rights of another person.

Yeah, women in Islamic countries have the same rights as American women into SM.

[balli]

Isn't the reproductive ability a privacy right?

Not incestuously. A bunch of ed up incest babies stand as a collective public threat.

[mogrovejo]

If the question instead, were


I'm not findog, but I would say, yes, at the very least they're meddlesome asshats interfering in the business if others. Non-producing, incestuous people don't really exist in large enough numbers to say there's any bigotry being perpetrated against them, but hypothetically if they did, it would be bigoted to deny them private rights as their execution of such rights would pose no public threat whatsoever.

So, being the subject of bigotry is a question of numbers? This is a very interesting theory. I mean, if there were only 12 jews in the entire country, would that number be large enough to say there's any bigotry perpetrated against them?

[Findog]

Thanks for answering. What's the problem with the reproductive ability? I dont' get that. Isn't the reproductive ability a privacy right? Why should two healthy, adult brother and sister in love with each other be denied of their rights as citizens?

Incest leads to an increase in the frequency of zygotes.

[Trainwreck2100]

So, being the subject of bigotry is a question of numbers? This is a very interesting theory. I mean, if there were only 12 jews in the entire country, would that number be large enough to say there's any bigotry perpetrated against them?

They'd all be rich enough that it wouldn't matter