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everytime i see gasol being interviewed and asked how he feels to be fotunate enough to be a part of this lakers team, i laugh.
The only way the Pau Gasol trade is legit is if Marc Gasol develops into a similar beast .. otherwise, some sort of trade commission should've been set up in response to this.
In other words, a trade commission should've been set up.
This is like Spurs doing Ian Mahinmi and George Hill for Pau .. almost exactly .. cheating ass League. More and more, because of like this and the bull refs who never call jack for Tim Duncan, I am moving away from even caring about the NBA. The Spurs yes, but the NBA doesn't even hide how much they want a high ratings finals, not a "best against the best" type of contest.
everytime i see gasol being interviewed and asked how he feels to be fotunate enough to be a part of this lakers team, i laugh.
wow. this is an epic thread.
-Mars
not even close. you guys seem to forget this is a business. most owners are concerned about money. only those who are dedicated are thinking about winning a ring. in any given year, only aboue 5-7 teams actually have a shot at winning the ring. memphis wasnt going to be in that group anytime soon. so they took a couple young guys, couple 1st round picks, but more importantly to that organization, they got 60 million dollars off the books. the spurs didnt have a 10 million dollar expiring contract, and marc gasol was in the international spotlight for a few years so the grizzlies knew how capable the was going to be. hes averaging over 11 points and 7 boards as a rookie. mahinmi???? wut is he a magician?
actually that's exactly what it was like. Gasol for some guys that had never played an NBA game. oh yeah... + kwame brown!!!! LOL
and those two 1st round picks will be . they knew when they were giving away gasol that it ould put LA over the top and assure them one of the best records in the league.
Anyways... yes... jerry west and the grizzlies knew what they were doing when they gave gasol to la for nothing.
and look at what marc is doing! hes easily a starting center on the spurs. and kwame brown was HUGE. his contract was the center of this deal. if the spurs had a 10 million dollar expiring contract and a top pg propect in the draft (which javaris was in the 2007 draft) im sure they would have guaged the interest of mem. and yes those picks werent gona be lottery bound, but there are plenty of late 1st rnd 2nd rnd picks that are stars in the nba. you guys should know, ginobli, parker, redd, boozer, arenas, monta ellis, etc etc
and get over jerry west giving him to la, he wasnt the GM for either team at the time of the trade. even if he was, more power to the lakers.
There was an article about the top 10 Deals that were as good or better for the Griz than the Lakers. One of them was the Spurs but the comments from the Griz GM were that no other teams showed interest until AFTER the Lakers deal went down.
Kwame Brown, you mean the one playing in Detroit now? He sure did a lot for the Grizzlies. They definitely needed his defensive capabilities.
Going on to reality, the three sentences I just stated above are my reasoning more or less for a trade commission. They didn't want Kwame Brown, they wanted his expiring contract. The rest were just throwins, nothing more, and Marc Gasol at that point was just as unproven as Mahinmi is now.
So in reality, GHill + Ian Mahinmi + Oberto/Thomas would probably be the Pau Gasol trade for us, plus picks but who needs picks when you're going to be on top of the WC for at least 3 years with that move ..
as good or better according to who? im not the gm or the owner but by all accounts, he seems like he was looking to shave salary. the trade of miller to the wolves further proves that. im sure they had better deals are far as talent, but no expiring contract of 10 mil
[QUOTE=z0sa;3056666]Kwame Brown, you mean the one playing in Detroit now? He sure did a lot for the Grizzlies. They definitely needed his defensive capabilities.
Going on to reality, the three sentences I just stated above are my reasoning more or less for a trade commission. They didn't want Kwame Brown, they wanted his expiring contract. The rest were just throwins, nothing more, and Marc Gasol at that point was just as unproven as Mahinmi is now.
So in reality, GHill + Ian Mahinmi + Oberto/Thomas would probably be the Pau Gasol trade for us, plus picks but who needs picks when you're going to be on top of the WC for at least 3 years with that move ..[/QUOTE]
yea that woulda been a similar trade but heres another big issue. (well big to most teams) they are in the same division. teams rarely trade within the division. ever.
lmao @ lakerfans STILL trying to defend the Gasol trade. it was a ING SCAM, and you got the Finals with it, accept it, embrace it.
-Mars
your right no need to defend. its more like LMAO at spurs fans still ing about a trade that helped they biggest rival in the past decade
So you agree there should be a trade commission then, rather than owners pawning off their bad decisions to make another team incomparably better while losing millions of fans respect and cash for the NBA. Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind many other teams besides just spurs were questioning that move. Any team, even lottery bound, would be a playoff contender if they could trade similar pieces (pieces that would not be even utilized for another season, minimum, and may never pan out) for a Pau Gasol.
Keep on dreaming LA didn't just get gifted because of their huge TV market. I'm sure Stern was personally supervising this trade to make sure it happened some how, some way, and I'm not even joking.
What about a trade for either Manu or TP for Detroits Tashaun Prince and a BIG.
no i dont agree on a trade commission. teams trade for expiring contracts every year. just like the knicks did with randolph, heat trying to do with marion, etc. its up to the GM's to do whats best for your team. if that doesnt happen, he gets fired.
it's ok, just keep livin in your fantasy world
Trading for expiring contracts rarely has such a talent gap and plethora of unknown players. Nice try though. That's not good GMing, in fact, if you had a good GM you'd have a normally built team of Shaq and Kobe still around.
We all know what happened.
West told the owner of Memphis that they were getting a great player in Brown, save money and keep Gasol.
Only, he wouldn't mention it was Marc.
They were looking to dump salary any way possible, like trade away a legit all-star for some unknown, yet they'd care they gave them away to a division opponent who will surely have them beat for the next 5 years regardless of the trade going through or not ..yea that woulda been a similar trade but heres another big issue. (well big to most teams) they are in the same division. teams rarely trade within the division. ever.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. If they were caring about winning, I could see your point. But thats the opposite of what they wanted. The owner wasn't ready to lose 20+ million dollars last season.
we do have excellent front office staffs. if we still had kobe and shaq around, we prolly would have won 1 more ring. but imagine if we had shaq now. that means no lottery pick for drew, no odom, no gasol. shaq's advance age would be injured and kobe would be 32 by the time shaqs contract expired. then wut? no shaq and a old kobe = lottery bound for at least a good 4-5 years. just look at the celtics after bird and mchale retired. they lived with dana barros, and dino radja
No one is saying the Lakers are of course better now than if theyd have kept shaq, but it doesn't change the fact your GM has some good luck rolling down hill on him .. Pau Gasol IMO is the only thing you need to say he wasn't really doing great, because Cupchak had little to do with the trade - I doubt he'd have ever even offered it, had the Grizzlies just been another losing team trying to rebuild instead of a near expansionary team losing tens of millions of dollars with no chance of rebuilding for 2 or more years.
If the Pau trade doesn't happen, LA continues its former course of mediocrity, and Kobe is never compared to Jordan again.
agreed but heres the grizzlies perspective. we are dumping salary for a couple picks and unproven players. there are 2 teams that have similar offers in the spurs and lakers. one plays in our division one doesnt. we dont care, we just want a salary dump. 2 similar deals. why would we trade in our division? if its a similar / same deal wouldnt trading away from your division give you that extra edge? if you say no you're lying
maybe so, but again its his job to look for opportunities like this. it may have been all memphis trying to dump salary but the lakers were the only team with, here it is again......a big expiring contract. GMs need alot of skills and knowledge but sometimes it IS the luck of the draw. whether its drafting unproven played in the later pics in the draft, or having something the other gms want (10 million dollars)
I wasn't disagreeing with your point, like I said if they cared about winning, it makes perfect sense. But the Spurs were going to own the Grizzlies regardless of what happened, I mean think about it Spurs are 4-0 this season against the Grizzlies (just guessing the latter won't make the playoffs), and thats with that Kevin love for Oj Mayo steal of a trade. Without Oj Mayo, they'd probably be on the Thunder's level in terms of talent and chemistry.
The main point I was trying to make is that the spurs trade I mentioned (GHill + Mahinmi + Oberto and/or Thomas) for Pau is such highway robbery its sickening. I mean, Pau probably has quadruple the stats compared to Oberto and Thomas combined, and Mahinmi is just as unproven and could actually be better than Marc Gasol. GHill has already proven a rotation player on a championship winning squad, and would probably be a top 5 rookie on a team - I say this because I honestly think the trade I specified is much better than the one they accepted from LA..
Would I have loved it to happen for my team? Yes, but never would I reasonably expect or bank on something like this happening ever, to any team. Since it did, the L should have set up a trade commission.
But they didn't. Why? Because it was their precious Lakers and their huge tv market which pulled off the move.
You've had more than a year to let it sink in, and some of you nitwits still don't get it, do you? The Grizzlies weren't trying to make an even swap in terms of talent. It was a salary dump, pure and simple.
They locked themselves into a huge long-term contract with Gasol, giving him superstar money to be the cornerstone of the franchise.
If Gasol is your No. 2 guy, you're cooking with gas. If he's your No. 1, you're destined to suffer the same fate they'd already been suffering -- getting their asses swept in the first round. Considering the market they were in, with the skin-flint owner they've got, they were never going to going to be able to pay another player more money. (If you've only got the money for one, who would you rather give it to, O.J. Mayo or Pau Gasol? I thought so.)
Gasol was it, and they weren't going anywhere with him. So they got him off the books, landed a few young prospects and draft picks and started over from scratch. Could they have gotten more from somebody else? Absolutely. But their GM Chris Wallace -- NOT JERRY WEST -- was terrible in Boston, so why should he have been any different in Memphis?
In the aftermath it sounded as if he simply didn't do his due dilligence in terms of fully exploring his options. But even if he had, how many franchises in the NBA have the resources to pay a second fiddle like Gasol $17 or 18 million? It's a short list -- New York, Dallas, Portland, Cleveland, Denver, probably a few more that I'm overlooking.
Not even Chicago, whose owner refuses to pay the luxury tax, would have brought him on. Certainly not the Spurs.
So if some of you think that L.A. fans are going to somehow feel ashamed that we pulled this off, you couldn't be any more wrong, or stupid for that matter. , it's exactly because of situations like this that I love being a Laker fan. Our fans have incredibly high expectations, and we have a franchise equipped to meet them. That's freaking beautiful.
And regarding the NBA being rigged -- Spurs fans should know more than anyone that this is simply not true. Otherwise, why in God's name would the NBA have delivered, against substantial mathematical odds, one of the most coveted draft prospects in NBA history to one of their smallest, least important franchises when they had teams in flagship markets waiting to get their hands on him?
This has happened to the Spurs not once but twice in the past two decades, in which they had a 20% and 16% chance to land the top pick in drafts in which David Robinson and Tim Duncan were available. Yet all some of you can do is pat yourself on the back about how the Spurs do things the right way, and whine like little es about how unfair the NBA is.
Get the out.
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