DeAndre Jordan scored most of those against Pau. Pau's like Al, a great scorer but not much for defense.
Bynum's D isn't great to begin with, but if he had the offensive responsibilities Al Jefferson it would be down right terrible.
Here's the question, Minnesota is 15-27, if they had Bynum instead of Big Al, what would their record be? I know you're gonna say they would be 42-0 Allanon, but an unbiased view would say it would be worse.
lol, suuuuuuuuuure, make up your argument as you go along. How exactly do you know Noah was scoring all those points on Al, how come Noah scoring those points on Love/Smith is out of the realm of possibilities?
I don't know whether or not Noah scored those points on Al, just looked at the boxscore.
I do know those points Jordan scored were mostly on Pau because I watched the game.
But I have watched other Al Jefferson games against better Centers and his defense really is bad.
Again, just look at the best defensive Centers and they have a low Opponent PER, then look at Al Jeff. Bynum can score 42 and he is also an Elite defensive Center.
Worse than 15-27.
Bynum still is only 21...he doesn't know how to be The Man yet.
He needs at least a year on his own to carry a team. If you put Bynum as-is right now on a ty team, he'll be scoring 25 points and playing better Defense than Al in 1 year.
This is vintage "change the argument in the middle of the argument" Allanon. The argument was about whether Al Jefferson or Andrew Bynum was better, not who has a higher ceiling as a player.
RIGHT NOW, Jefferson is better than Bynum. Maybe that changes in a year, but whether it does or not has no baring on the argument.
Sorry, didn't mean to change the argument Duncanowns, but it's still part of the same arugment.
I don't think Al's better than Bynum, they're just in different situations. Al is better at being The Man, Bynum has better skills and size.
Al Jefferson can't come in and do what Bynum does for the Lakers and Bynum can't do what Al does for the Wolves.
I think offensively, Al is better. But if you consider both offense and defense, I think Bynum is better.
But let's wait. Bynum plays Al on Friday, let's see who gets the better end of this battle. Wolves are an NBA best 9-2 in January so it should be a good match.
How many Jefferson games have you watched this year?
ALOT actually...at least 30 games this year. I like Al Jefferson, he's a beast.
Then from an unbiased perspective you would agree Jefferson is a better overall player than Bynum. If Bynum had the scoring load jefferson did his D would suck.
I think Bynum is the better overall player than Al just because Bynum can play some excellent D. In their last head to head, Bynum forced Al into 33% shooting while Al let Bynum get nearly 60%.
I seriously watch Al's game to see if his D is improving and it just hasn't.
Al has a much more polished O game than Bynum, Bynum can look a bit out of control whereas Al is very smooth almost all the time.
If Al had even passable D, I'd give him the nod over Bynum.
But as I said, let's watch the two battle it out on Friday and we'll go with that. If Al can abuse Bynum, I'll admit Al's the better player.
Bynum of course shoots a better percentage against Big Al because he faces less attention from the defense. Gasol often draws the better defender, which makes Bynum so dangerous against the Spurs because for some reason Duncan isn't defending him very well and Kurt Thomas is occupied with Gasol.
Nah, in the last game, it was Bynum versus Al is pretty much one on one, much like Duncan and Bynum guarded each other straight up yesterday.
Watch the game on Friday and we'll see who gets the better of who.
If Bynum gets punked by Al, I'll post back here with some glowing praise for Big Al.
But players only have so much energy. The nights Kobe has to drop 40+ his defense is lacking because of the energy he spends on offense. Bynum is told by the coaches to focus on defense, Al is told to do everything on offense and play defense with the remaining energy.
That is possible. But I have a feeling Bynum's gonna have a big night against Al and will match him scoring +/- a couple of points.
If they score comparatively, nobody is expending more than the other. Then it comes down to who scored those points more efficiently (FG%), who rebounds more, who gets more blocks, etc.
I disagree with that, Bynum gets tons of easy points, Jefferson has to work for basically anything he gets because the defense knows he's the player they can't lose track of.
But that's what I'm saying. "The Defense" is Andrew Bynum, that's it. The Lakers aren't doubling Jefferson so he just has to work on scoring against Bynum.
Sure, before, Bynum used to get help but nowadays, he's going man to man. If you watched the Spurs/Lakers game yesterday, Bynum guarded Duncan by himself..no help D like before. That's why the Spur shooters couldn't get open like they usually do.
. Why did I make this thread. It's the same thing in every thread, guys. it gets real repe ive.
I try to avoid arguments about Bynum with Laker fans cause they often go nowhere, but Al Jefferson has been too good this year for someone to get away with calling Bynum better than him.
Btw, I know it doesn't mean much considering the way he's been playing lately, but whenever Minny plays the Suns, Big Al locks Amare's ass up.
They didn't fleece them but Minnie basically sent over a franchise player for a 'potential' franchise player. IE: The one taking the risk of Jefferson panning out or not is Minnie, not Boston. Look where the wolves are at, and look where Boston is at, and tell me with a straight face that Minnie got as good a deal as Boston did. You can't. Jefferson is an excellent player. Franchise player? I don't think so, at least right now. And the picks are as good as the guy selecting talent. Kevin Love looks decent out there, but he won't be making many waves in Minnesota.
I'll take the blame for this one.
Jefferson had a breakout year still in Boston. People weren't playing a lot of attention, and rightly so, but he was awesome in 06/07. Plus, Minny got 2 others of their current starters, 2 draft picks, including a lottery one (their own of this year), huge expiring. No risk with Jefferson, he was already a 20/10 machine and one of the most polished low post players in the game.
Of course Boston are in a better situation now, they were the ones trading future for present.
What do you think McHale should have done? Traded Garnett for Odom? Let him expire and delay the much needed rebuilding process? They needed to move on... not doing anything was killing that franchise.
I disagree about Love, I think he's going to be an excellent player. Not a "superstar", in terms of popularity and individual stat, but someone who's going to deliver lots of wins to his team. He reminds me a lot of Laimbeer, and not because he's white.
Jefferson will probably be a better player than Garnett in 2 or 3 years.
That's hard to predict because the distance on the defensive side is hard to cover, but it's certainly a possibility. I'll always root for Big Al, he was a bright spot during some dark times and a great, very likeable kid.
I don't hate on big Al, because he is undeniably a great player, and low post scoring players with game are hard to come by. But think about this: If he was that good, Boston would have kept him instead of trading him for KG.
The reality is that Minnesota is the wrong place to be for both Al and Love. Throughout the KG stay there they made terrible personnel decisions (I mean, they luckied out when they got a motivated Sprewell and Casell, only to let them walk away, in their only chance to make some noise in the league). And the guy that made those decisions is still there, now as a coach. The day McHale goes away might be the day the Wolves get back on track.
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