anyways spurs fans keep bringing up this trade is getting old. it was a great deal for the lakers, and it has worked out for the grizzlies as well. they have a young center, 3 1st round picks and salary space to sign a high profile free agent once gasol, mayo, and gay all develop into nice players
and im saying these trades happen every year at the trade deadline..... but since everyone else in the league hates the lakers, people complain when the rich get richer. if the league wants to get rid of lob sided trades, they should get rid of the salary cap. that way poor teams never even sign high contracts to begin with....... and no im not in favor of getting rid of the salary cap in the nba
duncan looked a whole lot better against gasol yesterday than he did against young andrew bynum. on both ends of the floor. gasol is great, the lakers got a good deal on him, but he's not the reason that the lakers/spurs rivalry is going to be one-sided for many years.
i think sosa knows that. he just wants the League to make a trade commitee to not let lopsided trades happen.
Its not old when thats how you stay compe ive in a small market if you dont know that educate your self. I dont see the lakers having a problem or the other 28 teams having a problem with it.
The draft is luck, the Gasol trade was not luck. Additionally, "salary dumping" should not be a viable trade reason, which is why there should be a trade commission.
As a fan you want your team to WIN.
No one called collusion about the trade until Pop complained publicly. There were two threads started here at Spurstalk within a minute of each other. Neither one started that way, although timvp says his calls collusion when it doesn't. His thread le says "Gasol traded to Lakers for nothing", and that means collusion. "Nothing" is an opinion, that equal value wasn't met in return. Collusion is something illegal. However, the damage is done, people will always believe fiction.
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I wanted to say this too ... the Grizzlies franchise' salary dump was a total slap in the face to their meager helping of fans. They had a 50 win season back in 04 and were well on their way to being a contender with the team they had at that point ..
Correct.
And West indeed did what was best for YOUR team.
The decision of a trade commission should have been made based on scant evidence of West asking ANYBODY -but the Lakers- interested in Gasol.
haha and you've had more than a year to formulate a non-collusionary spin. Seriously, cool for the lakers that it only took them one yearof mediocrity to jump back to the top of the conference and the league... at the cost of sullying any future (potential) championships. If it were me and my team? I'd rather go about building a championship team the olllld fashioned way. It'd feel dirty and cheap to acquire an all-star player for nothing and succeed as a result of it.
People believe in common sense, more often than not.
A commission on the trade was asked publicly by Popovich, voicing a widespread "discomfort" in the league.
This would have actually cleared up the situation.
The several GMs West tried to convince to accept Gasol would have confirmed they weren't interested.
And the Lakers would have come up as Memphis' saviours.
Too bad no commission was called.....
yeah you los angelenes are delusional. well... not all of you.........
Originally Posted by lakerfan Tradition
"From an NBA fans standpoint, Id say it was a robbery trade "
Originally Posted by lakerfan Medvedenko
"Was it robbery yup, but well within the rules. "
Originally Posted by lakerfan Critter
"yes we know we made out in the trade "
etc etc
Bull . It was patently obvious when it happened. Anybody with half a brain knew what was going on. But if you're a whiny little who wants to use conspiracy theories to make yourself feel better about your team's shortcomings, then logic obviously need not be applied.
who's theorizing? facts are facts. my team has no shortcomings other than the fact that they wont cheat to win, but i consider that a strength.
Anyone that knows me here knows I am not delusional. I look at evidence. No internet tirade of collusion came until Pop complained publicly, and I stand by that.
Search thread les with Gasol in le here and in BBall central and see for yourself. If anyone is delusional it is you. We made a good trade, so have a million other teams.
lol are there millions of other teams? delusion * everyone's doing it! *
Pop ed about the trade like the day it happened. Just because you only logged on to lakersground and espn.com that day doesnt mean everyone else wasnt calling bull
Why continue to argue this Laker fans? LA got over and pimped Memphis. People are going to complain about this trade forever. Just smile and nod and hopefully point to the ring count that results.
LA didn't make Memphis make this trade. Even though West was gone, the fact LA had a good relationship with Memphis helped - as it does throughout the league when teams make trades (case in point SA getting Barry back after dealing him for Kurt Thomas).
LA got over on talent. Memphis got what they wanted money wise so the owner can come closer to selling the team. No need to apologize for pimping in my book. It's hard out there afterall.
I like you as a poster, the most solid minded Lakerfan on this board, but sorry.. No. A good trade is supposed to benefit both teams, like an old scale - the pieces on either side must be even. The Grizzlies were not planning on the future with the pieces they received, in fact, they are all gone now except for the picks if I;m not mistaken, and Marc of course. So you say Salary Dumping? That should not be allowed, too one sided and bad for the League, just because its your team that got the benefit shouldn't cloud your judgment.
This post is indicative of the idiocy that's being bandied about in this thread. Jerry West retired before the 2007-08 season. Chris Wallace was and is the GM who was responsible for that transaction. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
^^ Zosa just keep digging yourself in a deeper hole.
Marc Gasol is 23 (future) and already a solid starter in the league. They drafted Darrel Arthur age 20 (future) with the Lakers 1st rounder. They still have two Laker draft picks yet to use (future).
And then there's the cap space (future). Considering 2010 is the BIGGEST FREE AGENT SIGNING OFF SEASON EVER that's a big deal. Without Gasol's bloated contract Memphis will be in the mix to sign a high impact free agent.
Your point about Memphis being contenders with Pau is laughable. They overachieved after Jerry West built a team that had basically nothing with solid role players but they had no upside nor any chance at making legitimate noise in the playoffs. Which is why the team was blown up. That is how you successfully rebuild. Perennial 1st round exits is the worst thing possible (see: Minnesota).
Absolutely it was luck. Credit to the Spurs for taking advantage and building on it.
I was merely using the Robinson and Duncan drafts to illustrate the foolishness of conspiracy theories.
If the NBA was truly this Machiavellian organization, manipulating games and transaction from the shadows, do you think it makes much sense that franchise 7-footers would have ended up in San Antonio, one of the league's smallest and least important markets, rather than Los Angeles and Boston, two of the most important?
That NEVER would have happened if the NBA is indeed run the way many think it is.
And as for salary dumping, I agree to a point. If you're just a tight-ass like Donald Sterling, who has overseen one of the worst organizations in pro sports by refusing to spend money, then you deserve to be sanctioned in some manner. As a fan, the only recourse you have is to quit supporting the team.
But in Memphis' case, what were they supposed to do? They made a huge mistake in giving Gasol, a secondary star, a franchise contract. That deal was going to cripple their progress for years. They dumped him, started over and now have a decent young core with Mayo, Gay and young Gasol.
Look at it like a purging forest fire, in which the undergrowth and dead wood has to be burned off to promote new growth.
jerry west requested of heisley that he hire failure of a gm chris wallace to replace him. jerry scratched wallaces back, what did wallace do for jerry?? just sayin. just cause jerry's not on the payroll doesn't mean he's got nothing to do with it
if EVERYTHING is manipulated then people with catch on. you manipulate just enough so that you achieve your desired result often enough then people might not catch on. la fans are stupid delusional sheep, fat and happy sheep, but stupid and delusional.
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