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If you actually believe this crap that you're pushing, then why do you even bother watching the NBA at all? I mean, you're pretty much putting it on the same level as pro wrestling, so what's the point?
What facts? You haven't done anything but ignore logic and spout dogma.
How about the only facts that matter -- this trade met all league requirements and both sides were satisfied with the outcome. The Lakers got a legitimate second option, and the Grizzlies got right of a contract that was crippling their growth.
ANd it happened a year ago, which should have given you plenty of time to get the sand out of your vagina.
If you actually believe this crap that you're pushing, then why do you even bother watching the NBA at all? I mean, you're pretty much putting it on the same level as pro wrestling, so what's the point?
was the trade lop-sided? unfair to the rest of the league? a slap in the face to fans? deflating to teams who have spent years trying to build championship teams the right way? legal?
yes to all of the above, but
legally speaking, oj simpson is not a murderer.
The Gasol Trade - The Perfect Crime?
cheaters never prosper and i will stick around to see the lakers go nowhere despite pulling one of the biggest cheats the professional sports wolrd has ever seen. as a result kobe will be labeled a choker and a non-leader. it'll be awesome.
I never even went to Lakerground until a few weeks ago. I haven't been back. If Pop was ing about the trade from day one, show me the posts here to back up what you say, then I'll eat my words. If memory serves me, he didn't moan until the Lakers started winning with Gasol.
Mid season acquisitions are often key to a team getting to the next level. In 2004, Detroit acquired Rasheed Wallace and played like the best team in the league the rest of the way. Even the Spurs helped the Lakers back in 1987, giving us a former #1 overall pick named Mychal Thompson. We won the le that year.
You brought this thread back, why? I suspect sour grapes, the trade made the Lakers better than the Spurs.
Well, I can't add anything here that hasn't been said already, so I will just say I appreciate your kindness and respect for me. The analysis of the pieces is debated and the future will decide it. The only thing I will add is the trade back in 1981 where the Warriors traded Robert Parish and a #1 draft pick (who became Kevin McHale) for Joe Barry Carroll. Also, if you look at the Dallas/New Jersey Kid trade last year, the Mavs gave up 2 first round picks. Doesn't it seem obvious now, they should have received 2 first round picks instead? NJ will make out for years to come on that deal.
It's been my experience on message boards that whenever one reverts to emoticons, they've either run out of substantive arguments, or they never had one to begin with.was the trade lop-sided? unfair to the rest of the league? a slap in the face to fans? deflating to teams who have spent years trying to build championship teams the right way? legal?
yes to all of the above, but
legally speaking, oj simpson is not a murderer.
The Gasol Trade - The Perfect Crime?
I mean, if you're going to stoop to that level, why not use them on yourself for comparing the O.J. Simpson trial to a basketball trade. Because at this point, it pretty much sums up your whole argument -- a big joke.
Now, I'm not expecting you as a Spurs fan to like the trade. Far from it. If I was in the same boat, and I'd just seen my most hated opponent close a deal that just might have effectively closed our window as a championship contender, I would be pretty pissed off, too.
But I dare anybody with at least a marginal IQ to look at my original post, read it as objectively as possible, and not acknowledge that it makes perfect sense. And it does because, well, that's pretty much the way it went down.
If it makes you feel better to think otherwise, and come up with excuses, and to depict the NBA as some evil conglomerate aimed at ing small-market teams out of their just rewards, feel free.
Just know that me, and millions of other Laker fans have pretty much the same reaction when we think about that trade -- our faces split into huge ing smiles, and we thank Mitch Kupchak for re-building a championship contender on the fly.
Whether it pays off in a ring, who knows? We all better get our business done quick, because once Cleveland signs a second All-Star in 2010, we're all going to be playing for second anyway.
Until then, I'll at least take solace in the fact that Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich are going to spend the remainder of their careers getting their asses kicked by the Lakers.
Last edited by Mike Smrek; 01-26-2009 at 02:43 PM.
ok, it took pop exactly one week to come out and say what everyone was already thinking. and NOONE expected the lakers to continue losing after acquiring a franchise bigman and losing noone. that is just stupid.
and this is why i say lakers fans are stupid and delusional. no reason to secon-dguess the trade when you're the sole beneficiary, right? lol, dumbass
because we must mever forget and I wanted to make sure laker fans still knew what was up and didnt forget over the off season like they hoped everyone else would.
lakers could get away with muder too if they wanted to, apparently.
no u, this is SpursTalk, not LakersTalk .
wow such jealousy from petty spurs fans
Just need a quick recount. lakerfans chime in if you are still aware that the gasol trade was bull and that any future success due to your ill-gotten gains will be accompanied by *
pego, Faker fans would defend Kobe and the Lakers if they killed a man on the basketball court on ABC in the Finals. they'll always come up with some BS excuse.
-Mars
this i know. stupid and delusional.
There is an old saying....Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. So, I am done with you, I proved my point.ok, it took pop exactly one week to come out and say what everyone was already thinking. and NOONE expected the lakers to continue losing after acquiring a franchise bigman and losing noone. that is just stupid.
because we must mever forget and I wanted to make sure laker fans still knew what was up and didnt forget over the off season like they hoped everyone else would.
There is also a similar saying. Never argue with an intelligent man, he will bring you up to his level and beat you with experience. I have done this. Now, go hook up with SpursDynasty for a few beers, you seem to fancy similar delusions about basketball.
he pulled the SpursDynasty card!
just like your argument about the gasol trade
To anyone who uses the 'salary dump' argument: the Grizzlies could have accomplished a salary dump and still received much more in return (higher draft picks). The Lakers were not the only team with expiring contracts.
As for Marc Gasol, he is better than they knew he was at the time of the trade. He's still not nearly what Pau is. At the time of the trade, he was generally regarded as a scrub (one draft website I looked at yesterday had Splitter rated at 4 stars out of 6. Marc was given a 1 star rating).
It's bad enough larger markets can outspend smaller ones in terms of salary, along with Nike and other sponsors encouraging players to go to larger markets (offering double the endorsement money). When those same teams also use collusion to grab other teams' franchise players for nothing, how are small markets supposed to compete with that? It's ridiculous.
some bad arguments on both sides..
the fairness of the Gasol trade will come down to a few factors..it'll depend on the careers of Marc Gasol and Darrell Arthur, and it'll depend on who the Grizzlies get through free agency in the next 2-3 years..it'll also depend on whether or not the Lakers win a le..that's what it comes down to at the end, and that's it..
right now it's obviously a lopsided deal, and it's obvious that the Lakers benefited, as usual..when you're a fan of the NBA, you have to deal with a few unfair issues..you have to deal with Lebron and Wade getting favorable calls..you have to deal with the Lakers getting away with through the L..any Laker fan can admit that their team gets treated better by the NBA, and I think it's obvious..they benefit from players demanding to go to the Lakers on draft day, they've benefited from their location to attract free agents, and it's been like this forever..this is the same franchise that benefited from the worst officiated game in NBA history, that led to a le in 2002..
I give respect to Laker fans when they deserve it..there are a few good Laker fans here, like Allanon and Lakers_55(off the top of my head), but they are generally the worst fanbase on the internet, due to the large amount of bandwagoners and blind Kobe homers that tend to cheer for their team..Laker fans are the most insecure fanbase in the NBA, and it's obvious in most of their posts(again, not all of them, but the majority based on my experience)..they'll go to extreme lengths to defend their teams, often ignoring facts and logic..
when you mention the rigged(not officially, of course..but obvious to anybody that watched the game) Kings-Lakers game 6, they'll bring up some alleged bad calls in other games of the series, which are never mentioned by anybody other than their fanbase..at the time of the Donaghy allegations, a youtube search of that series had clips of EVERY game, except for the game 6..obviously..
blind Kobe homers are known to go as far as making up facts about the Shaq era, including having the balls to say that Kobe had as much of an impact as Diesel did..
Laker fans are also known to defend Kobe allegedly raping a woman, and defending the fact that Kobe told the police information about Shaq for absolutely no reason..both sickening acts..it's not a surprise that Laker fans are such insecure people..the fact that they cheer for a rapist is disgusting, and they should all be disgusted at themselves..I don't know how they can look in the mirror..
so you havent yet realized that the gasol trade was bull ?
thanks. i'm trying to get numbers here...
o well...now its time for the spurs to get a lopsided deal. YOU CAN DO IT!
negative, not enough people watch our team
Since the Lakers moved to LA they haven't won a single le without gifting of players, Wilt, Shaq, Kareem, Kobe refusing to sign with anyone else, Gasol should they win another. Spurs maneuvered to free up cap space and still couldn't sign an impact. That's why, as an organization, the Spurs four championships I think are more impressive than all the Lakers les combined.
You remind me of boxing fans trying to explain that HW boxing really is not fixed.
The Gasol trade was akin to the Oberto, Vaughn and a second round pick for David Lee nonsense that is bandied around here. Prima facia, its stupid and Lee isn't the player that Gasol is.
I cannot fault the Lakers for accepting it but in baseball for example the commiisoner can and has shot down trades like that. It is led as in the best interests in baseball. Well in basketball best interest translates into big market so I don't see Stern ever doing anything unless its say the Bucks.
But really at somepoint don't you feel like your cheering for the house at a casino?
So should the Lakers tank seasons in order to get the #1 draft pick?
is that what really happened in 97
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