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    God Talks To Me. angel_luv's Avatar
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    I'm not saying President Obama was wrong in doing this because I presently have no idea.

    But I wonder how frustrating it is for President Bush ( and every other former president) to see his ( their) policies reversed.
    Even if President Bush keeps from being greatly bothered by 8 years of his effort overturned in mere days, I think it would be impossible to be completely unaffected and indifferent regarding it.



    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090126/..._obama_climate

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama began reversing the climate policies of the Bush administration on Monday, clearing the way for new rules to force auto makers to produce more fuel-efficient and less polluting cars.

    The president told the Environmental Protection Agency to reconsider immediately a request by California to impose its own strict limits on vehicle carbon dioxide emissions, blamed for contributing to global warming.

    The Democratic Obama took over last Tuesday from former President George W. Bush, whose Republican administration had denied the request, prompting California and other states to sue.

    "The federal government must work with, not against, states to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," Obama said at the White House, taking a stab at his predecessor's policies.

    "California has shown bold and bipartisan leadership through its effort to 21st century standards. And over a dozen states have followed its lead."

    Obama's directive, which is likely to result in a formal change in coming months, could prompt as many as 18 states to follow California's lead by putting into effect tailpipe emissions standards that are tougher than federal requirements.

    The president directed the Department of Transportation to move forward with setting vehicle fuel efficiency standards for model year 2011 by March, giving automakers an 18-month period to prepare.

    The rules piled pressure on an ailing car industry struggling to survive in a deepening recession with the help of federal bailouts.

    General Motors Corp said it is "working aggressively" to develop better hybrids and electric cars to reduce emissions and improve mileage, but policymakers must weigh in economic factors when making their decision.

    "We're ready to engage the Obama administration and Congress on policies that support meaningful and workable solutions and targets," the company said in a statement.

    Their future may be more troubled as the U.S. recession deepens. Economists polled by Reuters in advance of Friday's Gross Domestic Product report think GDP contracted at a 5.4 percent rate on an annualized basis in the fourth quarter, which would be the worst performance since 1982.

    SIGNALS ON ENVIRONMENT

    The Obama directive pleased environmentalists, who supported his election but could annoy labor unions, another key cons uency, whose members are embittered about the loss of auto jobs.

    Obama said the policy shift would help carmakers in the long run.

    "Our goal is not to further burden an already struggling industry, it is to help America's automakers prepare for the future," he said.

    California's Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger urged the Obama administration last week to review the pollution emissions decision.

    "It is clear that California and the environment now have a strong ally in the White House," he said in a statement, welcoming the move on Monday.

    "Allowing California and other states to aggressively reduce their own harmful vehicle tailpipe emissions would be a historic win for clean air and for millions of Americans who want more fuel-efficient, environmentally friendly cars."

    Democratic lawmakers in Washington hailed the measure as a step toward energy independence and clean air, but some Republicans accused him of setting back the struggling U.S. auto industry.

    The moves signaled Obama's desire to move forward quickly with his campaign promises to fight climate change and reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

    Obama laid out broad principles that he said his administration would follow. It was time for the United States to lead on climate change, he said, and reduce its dependence on foreign oil.

    "It will be the policy of my administration to reverse our dependence on foreign oil," he said, adding previous administrations had made similar goals.

    "We need more than the same old empty promises. We need to show that this time it will be different," he said.

    The U.S. State Department is expected to name Todd Stern, a senior White House official under former President Bill Clinton, as its climate change envoy, two people familiar with the decision said on Monday.

    Stern coordinated the Clinton administration's Initiative on Global Climate Change from 1997 to 1999 and acted as the senior White House negotiator in the Kyoto negotiations on climate change.

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    Is the only reason you can't support this move related to the fact that said move was done by Obama.

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    She's worried it will make Bush feel bad.

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    great, the economy will love this.

    -Mars

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    The old cars were perfect; that's why the auto industry is so healthy these days.

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    The old cars were perfect; that's why the auto industry is so healthy these days.
    And the govt. knows so well what I want to drive!

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    The old cars were perfect; that's why the auto industry is so healthy these days.
    and this will improve the auto industry?

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    Also, how cold does it have to get before anyone is allowed to question whether this is actually happening?

    In Western Pa, I have spent all of 5 hours above 32 degrees thus far in '09.

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    Also, how cold does it have to get before anyone is allowed to question whether this is actually happening?
    Son of a . Seriously? ing ass-ignorant line of reasoning.

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    Is the only reason you can't support this move related to the fact that said move was done by Obama.
    I have no opinion currently on the policy. It was not the point of my post.

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    And the govt. knows so well what I want to drive!
    Better than the idiots in Detroit. Anyways, it wasn't the government on it's hands and knees. And your tax money's going/gone there whether you like it or not. So given that, I don't know why the you'd want our government to continue to enable their idiocy? At now taxpayer expense? Do you hate America?

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    God Talks To Me. angel_luv's Avatar
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    She's worried it will make Bush feel bad.
    I feel some empathy for him, yes.
    How he feels about it won't keep me up at night. But I would love to sit down with the both President Bush and President Clinton and interview them about how they felt transitioning out of office.

    It is a part of politics that interests me.

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    Also, how cold does it have to get before anyone is allowed to question whether this is actually happening?

    In Western Pa, I have spent all of 5 hours above 32 degrees thus far in '09.

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    I feel some empathy for him, yes.
    How he feels about it won't keep me up at night. But I would love to sit down with the both President Bush and President Clinton and interview them about how they felt transitioning out of office.

    It is a part of politics that interests me.
    You probably care more about this issue than he does (and know more about it, too).

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    And the govt. knows so well what I want to drive!
    Were car companies unable to build cars you like with these restrictions, I would agree with you -- but they can. You're just whining about nothing.

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    God Talks To Me. angel_luv's Avatar
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    You probably care more about this issue than he does (and know more about it, too).
    Maybe.

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    and this will improve the auto industry?
    Probably.

    More importantly it will help the air quality in this country.

    Why are you for pollution?

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    It can't really be said that Obama's rolling back Bush's environmental protections. Mostly, his environmental regulators protected business from environmental regulations and from states that were clearly overzealous in their persecution of harmful tailpipe emissions.

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    Son of a . Seriously? ing ass-ignorant line of reasoning.
    It's why I hate that "global warming" has become the buzz term.

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    we took the wrong approach to begin with.

    should have told conservatives that global warming was heat from satan's .

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    Also, how cold does it have to get before anyone is allowed to question whether this is actually happening?

    In Western Pa, I have spent all of 5 hours above 32 degrees thus far in '09.
    well, unless proponents of global warming have restricted their predictions to the US alone, your bull assumption that because its cold where you live, global warming doesn't exists is laughable.

    Here in Argentina we're sufering from an almost unprecedented drought. In fact, our rural areas have been declared in a state of emergency for months now...

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    The old cars were perfect; that's why the auto industry is so healthy these days.
    That's why men are looking for older model trucks instead of these horrible ed up overly regulated diesel/engine emission trucks that give poor performance and cost a bundle to maintain?

    Step up your game from your Focus and you might be surprised.

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    we took the wrong approach to begin with.

    should have told conservatives that global warming was heat from satan's .

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    That's why men are looking for older model trucks instead of these horrible ed up overly regulated diesel/engine emission trucks that give poor performance and cost a bundle to maintain?
    Right, everybody is doing that.

    Except they aren't.

    Step up your game from your Focus and you might be surprised.
    The Focus is a crappy car.

    Why are you for pollution?

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    Better than the idiots in Detroit. Anyways, it wasn't the government on it's hands and knees. And your tax money's going/gone there whether you like it or not. So given that, I don't know why the you'd want our government to continue to enable their idiocy? At now taxpayer expense? Do you hate America?
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