The Gasol Trade

[Spurminator]

So should the Lakers tank seasons in order to get the #1 draft pick?

Yes but first you'd have to learn the secret magic spell that guarantees you will get the top pick even though you did not have the worst record in the league. Otherwise it wouldn't really be worth the risk, especially if the #2 pick is Keith Van Horn...

[kingmalaki]

This thread is hilarious. Spurs fans whining about the Gasol trade (which was really unfair, but oh well), when the only reason their franchise has won anything is because they tanked to land Duncan. Or landing Finley for nothing because the Mavs bought him out...that was really fair. Or trading Barry for Thomas, and then resigning Barry...that's fair too huh?

More power to those that can get over is what I say. I mean, isn't that what we want our GM's to do? I don't see Pop turning down landing Gasol for crap if he had a shot to do it.

[sedale threatt]

they have to blame the gasol trade because they just got smoked and they can't blame injuries or officiating. what else is left? nevermind that bynum did more damage than gasol. nevermind farmar or ariza. nevermind that six or seven of their players wouldn't make the laker roster. it's the league and the gasol trade! jerry west! dr. evil! do you see?

[picnroll]

Laker's franchise history equals *.

[birdy219]

o well...now its time for the spurs to get a lopsided deal. YOU CAN DO IT!

I like you. We need some humor around here. I'm okay with rational laker fans; it's just that there are so few of them around me. The ones that I know are either young and dumb bandwagoners or old obnoxious croners. I'm surrounded by laker and mav fans. Somebody help me PLEASEEEE.

[InK]

This thread is hilarious. Spurs fans whining about the Gasol trade (which was really unfair, but oh well), when the only reason their franchise has won anything is because they tanked to land Duncan. Or landing Finley for nothing because the Mavs bought him out...that was really fair. Or trading Barry for Thomas, and then resigning Barry...that's fair too huh?

Exactly. Gasol trade was but Spurs fans are the last who can complain about it.

[Medvedenko]

I guess I'll continue to perpetuate this assinine thread....I love it though.

[InK]

I'm okay with rational laker fans; it's just that there are so few of them around me. The ones that I know are either young and dumb bandwagoners or old obnoxious croners. I'm surrounded by laker and mav fans. Somebody help me PLEASEEEE.

Really a lot of decent Lakers fans ( and from other teams as well) roaming around at spurstalk these days, its loads upon loads better atm then it was at the 3peat time, if i remember correctly.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm one of the Spurs fans that wasn't mad about the Gasol trade, LA gave up a good amount..but like I said, Laker fans are extremely sensitive, defensive, and insecure..

they obviously know the flaws of their franchise..most of them are bandwagon fans that conveniently became Laker fans during the Shaq era, or during Showtime..they realize their franchise has benefited heavily from players demanding to go to LA on draft night, or signing with LA due to location and reputation they've gotten from all of this..they obviously realize they received a le in 2002 due to probable rigging, they idolize a rapist that attempts to get a teammate that brought him 3 les in trouble with the law..

among other players, 2 of the main players Laker fans have idolized are a rapist/snitch, and an adulterer with HIV..just disgusting..these are the types of people you find at Laker games..people that condone this stuff..well outside of mindless celebrities that couldn't name a Laker outside of Kobe and "that tall, ugly, Spanish guy"..and gangbangers of course..gang banger that jump innocent fans at games because they're wearing a Celtics jersey..

tanking is a myth..David Robinson being out is a better reason..nothing to indicate tanking, and the #1 pick is never guaranteed either way..bad argument..

[DrHouse]

I'm one of the Spurs fans that wasn't mad about the Gasol trade, LA gave up a good amount..but like I said, Laker fans are extremely sensitive, defensive, and insecure..

they obviously know the flaws of their franchise..most of them are bandwagon fans that conveniently became Laker fans during the Shaq era, or during Showtime..they realize their franchise has benefited heavily from players demanding to go to LA on draft night, or signing with LA due to location and reputation they've gotten from all of this..they obviously realize they received a le in 2002 due to probable rigging, they idolize a rapist that attempts to get a teammate that brought him 3 les in trouble with the law..

among other players, 2 of the main players Laker fans have idolized are a rapist/snitch, and an adulterer with HIV..just disgusting..these are the types of people you find at Laker games..people that condone this stuff..well outside of mindless celebrities that couldn't name a Laker outside of Kobe and "that tall, ugly, Spanish guy"..and gangbangers of course..gang banger that jump innocent fans at games because they're wearing a Celtics jersey..

tanking is a myth..David Robinson being out is a better reason..nothing to indicate tanking, and the #1 pick is never guaranteed either way..bad argument..

Yes we love our rapists and HIV infected players!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

they have to blame the gasol trade because they just got smoked and they can't blame injuries or officiating. what else is left? nevermind that bynum did more damage than gasol. nevermind farmar or ariza. nevermind that six or seven of their players wouldn't make the laker roster. it's the league and the gasol trade! jerry west! dr. evil! do you see?

Actually I can blame officiatin. You guys were allowed to play physical and we were not. Especially with Duncan in the block. Hip checking to the sideline was consistent. We got open looks and missed them. Oh well.

I am not blaming the trade for ahit. We were in tath game in the first half and had we hit those 12 open threes you guys gave up we would have won. We missed our shots and you made yours. Oh well.

At the end of the day, the Gasol trade is bull even still.

[ShoogarBear]

No one called collusion about the trade until Pop complained publicly.

Wrong.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86184&

Which makes the rest of your post fallacious.(*)







(*) This word does not mean what Kobe defenders think it does.

[WayOutWest]

I'm one of the Spurs fans that wasn't mad about the Gasol trade, LA gave up a good amount..but like I said, Laker fans are extremely sensitive, defensive, and insecure..

We are NOT! Shut your face! STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[m33p0]

we all know the Grizzlies is the Lakers subsidiary in Memphis.

[Lakers_55]

Wrong.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86184&

Which makes the rest of your post fallacious.(*)







(*) This word does not mean what Kobe defenders think it does.

Sorry, but fail. I looked at that thread. Post 17, 18, and 20 are all that back up any collusion talk, and they contradict each other. Besides, they don't even make a big deal about it. Collusion claims didn't start popping up regularly until Popovich sounded off. Then the hit the internet fan. Your post was a silent but not so deadly fart.

There is also a thread in BBall Central about Gasol going to Chicago in December of 07, and I read elsewhere Phoenix was inquiring to Memphis about him in January of 2008.

[ShoogarBear]

Sorry, but fail.

The only fail is you:

No one called collusion about the trade until Pop complained publicly.

That post was made a week before Pop's comments. So you are wrong.

I looked at that thread. Post 17, 18, and 20 are all that back up any collusion talk, and they contradict each other. Besides, they don't even make a big deal about it. Collusion claims didn't start popping up regularly until Popovich sounded off. Then the hit the internet fan. Your post was a silent but not so deadly fart.

Internet lameosity #125: I was wrong, so I'm changing the argument.

There is also a thread in BBall Central about Gasol going to Chicago in December of 07, and I read elsewhere Phoenix was inquiring to Memphis about him in January of 2008.

Do you understand how incriminating those statements are? The reason that everyone is calling collusion is that when the time came to actually make the trade, neither Chicago nor Phoenix nor ANYBODY ELSE among the numerous other teams interested was even given a chance to make an offer. The Bulls easily would have topped what the Lakers gave up.

[Lakers_55]

The only fail is you:



That post was made a week before Pop's comments. So you are wrong.

Internet lameosity #125: I was wrong, so I'm changing the argument.

Do you understand how incriminating those statements are? The reason that everyone is calling collusion is that when the time came to actually make the trade, neither Chicago nor Phoenix nor ANYBODY ELSE among the numerous other teams interested was even given a chance to make an offer. The Bulls easily would have topped what the Lakers gave up.

Meh, this topic is so sour grapes, move on. Pop made his comments, then the collusion posts hit the internet en masse. Your revelations didn't even cause a stir.

Did it occur to you that maybe Chicago and Phoenix made offers that the Grizzlies weren't interested in and were thusly turned down? Or maybe the Laker offer was better? Your opinion of better doesn't count, the jury is still out on the future Memphis got. It's easy to say any team could make a better offer after a trade was made. The fact is, they didn't. It's the reverse of the concept of a contract going to the lowest bidder. Once you've bid, you can't lower it when you lose out on the deal.

Dream on, I've seen it all here. 0.4 that should have been 0.8. Barry traveling before Fisher fouled him, (and the NBA dropping the ball saying a foul should have been called), Stern makes the Lakers win. Refs are in the Laker pocket. Yet somehow, the fact that Donaghy reffed series that the Spurs won get overlooked and laughed at when a Phoenix fan complains about it.

I try to be fair here, but really, you guys need to get a grip on reality. My team can't win every year, but history proves they'll be in the mix consistently. Look at your team, second only to mine in that department.

Act like men, like the players you emulate. Quit being little es about everything that doesn't go your way. It's all old news. Or go out and actually prove the conspiracies you hold so dear. Then, you will have a serious audience. I am done here. See my reply above to the OP about arguing, idiots, and intelligence.

[thispego]

listen kid, this thread isn't about ing, so please stop. We all know there's a little voice in the back of your head casting shadows of doubt about the legitimacy of this trade. Too bad those thoughts are muffled by your complete laker homerism that tells you lakers can do no wrong, that it would be unfair for the lakers to not be le contenders, and that anyone who believes collusion was at play is just jealous.

noone is jealous, no spurs fans are ing. we have as much chance of winning as any other team this year. We just want to make sure that you, as a laker fan, knows that the gasol trade was bull and gives the lakers an unfair advantage. simple. can you comprehend this?

[ShoogarBear]

Meh, this topic is so sour grapes, move on. Pop made his comments, then the collusion posts hit the internet en masse. Your revelations didn't even cause a stir.

When did "causing a stir" become part of the criteria?

Tonight, I guess, after your original statement was proven wrong.

Did it occur to you that maybe Chicago and Phoenix made offers that the Grizzlies weren't interested in and were thusly turned down? Or maybe the Laker offer was better? Your opinion of better doesn't count, the jury is still out on the future Memphis got.

Okay, so now that you have been proven conclusively wrong in the original statement in question, we are changing the topic to something else, right? Just want to make that clear.

I agree, my opinion doesn't count. Especially when compared to one such as yours. And neither does this guy's, either:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

Still, it hasn’t stopped a rampant anger around the league that this wasn’t so much of a trade, as much as it was the word that Bryant himself used: a “donation.” Privately, the Lakers were thrilled that they were able to keep negotiations with the Grizzlies quiet because Los Angeles officials were blown away that they could get Gasol for so little.


One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis’ Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks.

Well, that Jarvis Crittendon sure turned out to be a winner, didn't he? And Kwame Brown, what a steal! Aaron McKie??? Say no more!!

And with Jerr. . ., err, I mean Chris Wallace running the team, those draft picks are gold!

Dream on, I've seen it all here. 0.4 that should have been 0.8. Barry traveling before Fisher fouled him, (and the NBA dropping the ball saying a foul should have been called), Stern makes the Lakers win. Refs are in the Laker pocket. Yet somehow, the fact that Donaghy reffed series that the Spurs won get overlooked and laughed at when a Phoenix fan complains about it.

Wow, those are all certainly credible arguments legitimizing the Gasol trade.

I try to be fair here, but really, you guys need to get a grip on reality. My team can't win every year, but history proves they'll be in the mix consistently. Look at your team, second only to mine in that department.

Act like men, like the players you emulate. Quit being little es about everything that doesn't go your way. It's all old news. Or go out and actually prove the conspiracies you hold so dear. Then, you will have a serious audience. I am done here.

See my reply above to the OP about arguing, idiots, and intelligence.

Yes, well, with such a intellect wielding such powerful arguments legitimizing the Gasol trade, it's no wonder you're exasperated by puny old us.

[Lakers999]

noone is jealous, no spurs fans are ing. we have as much chance of winning as any other team this year. We just want to make sure that you, as a laker fan, knows that the gasol trade was bull and gives the lakers an unfair advantage. simple. can you comprehend this?

OH THE CONTRADICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!

look pego... face your truths... you are jealous, your jealous for the facts that the lakers foiled the spurs attempts at repeating on 2 different occasions.. your jealous at the fact that the lakers are contenders again. your jealous for the fact that RC cannot draft or trade for anyone that can match up with bynum, gasol, and odom this year, your jealous for the fact that kobe might win it all without shaq oneal thus ending spurs fans only hatred filled argument about kobe not winning w/out shaq and lastly, your jealous at the facts that Gasol was traded to Los Angeles rather than SA.

lets just leave it at that.... Jealousy can destroy fan....too bad it has overtaken your sense of reality

[ClingingMars]

OH THE CONTRADICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!

look pego... face your truths... you are jealous, your jealous for the facts that the lakers foiled the spurs attempts at repeating on 2 different occasions.. your jealous at the fact that the lakers are contenders again. your jealous for the fact that RC cannot draft or trade for anyone that can match up with bynum, gasol, and odom this year, your jealous for the fact that kobe might win it all without shaq oneal thus ending spurs fans only hatred filled argument about kobe not winning w/out shaq and lastly, your jealous at the facts that Gasol was traded to Los Angeles rather than SA.

lets just leave it at that.... Jealousy can destroy fan....too bad it has overtaken your sense of reality

yes, we're jealous that the Spurs cannot steal players. really.

[Lakers999]

yes, we're jealous that the Spurs cannot steal players. really.

yeah laker fans are also jealous that we cant steal playoff games either

[timvp]

Lakers_55 gets owned on his original assertion and then moves the goalposts .... only to get owned again.

Classic.

[Lakers999]

yes, we're jealous that the Spurs cannot steal players. really.

and how is it stealing when you have an approved business deal by two teams especially when one of those VP/GM use to be an ex-celtic

[Ghazi]

Celtics fans didn't complain about the Gasol trade last year