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It is amusing watching people go bat crazy when someone says they shouldn't be allowed to own a lethal weapon that kills things. I'm havin a good ole time!
If it's for hunting, sure. Sorry but I can't help you with judgment snakegirl. Forget gun control, what we need is idiot control.
It is amusing watching people go bat crazy when someone says they shouldn't be allowed to own a lethal weapon that kills things. I'm havin a good ole time!
you also didn't answer the question. the question was how many homicides and intentional acts of violence are committed with the use of gun vs the number of homicides and intentional acts of violence that are committed by other weapons. I'm wondering about crime, not death by natural causes or accident.
FTFY. Now, are you going to bring anything of substance to this discussion, or just snipe away (pun intended) from a standpoint of complete ignorance?
No I'll just sit back and laugh at you getting so worked up about the govt taking away something that isn't necessary. That's all. Thanks for pointing out that you intended that pun btw. Tell me, are you for the legalization of marijuana? Cocaine? Methamphetamine?
If you really want to know, I'm sure you could find it on the internet.
So the defense of cons utional rights isn't something to get worked up about?
If that's the position you take, I'm not going to bother responding to you any further.
hahah the old, "I won't do your homework for you" aka I know if I look for it, it will make me look stupid.
I missed the part in the cons ution where it says citizens should be allowed assault weapons. Thanks for not answering my question. I'll just take it that you aren't and that you're a huge hypocrite along with being a prissy .
I wanted AHF to tell us since he's so big on numbers. Seems to me like the government might have some interest in regulating tools/weapons/objects that are used in the commission of crimes.
To be fair. There does have to be a line somewhere. Arguing that the 2nd amendment should protect any and all weaponry is, IDK... not right.
But the line isn't being drawn on any type of substance. There is no grounds for banning 'assault weapons' other than they look evil. You can fire just as many rounds in a second from a revolver or a semi-auto handgun as the big bad semi-auto AR-15 or AK-47 that are so villified.
A good hunting rifle with a scope would let you pick off anyone sporting one of the aforementioned evil assault weapons well before they'd be in range to do anything harmful to you.
Hey, I agree. I seriously doubt that the allowance of assault rifles is making America more dangerous. As I understand as a layman, they're so heavily regulated it's not even funny. Like you subject yourself to an ATF search whenever they want, etc. And I'm sure, 99.9% of the people who own them are just good ol' boys out for a fun time.
I'm just saying there has to be a line somewhere. I personally think that line should allow assault rifles, but if it doesn't, so what, why get so bent? That line has to exist somewhere and if it arbitrarily bans assault rifles, tough, there's not enough bolt-action, lever action, semi-auto, over under, side by side and revolver guns out there to get by with?
Roughly speaking, 12K homicides by guns, 6K by other weapons.
Some other numbers that you will probably ignore because it doesn't fit the guns are evil mantra:
* England passed nearly complete bans of guns in 1997. In the two years after that, violent crimes committed with firearms rose 40%.
* A DOJ study completed in 2004 found that a person was more likely to be mugged at gunpoint in England than in America, adjusted for incident per 100,000.
That gun ban sure is working out well over in England. And they're getting ready to ban kitchen and steak knives next
And in the 10 years since that what have the numbers looked like?
Part of the concern is once you start banning weapons, where does it end? First the evil assault rifle, then next it's 'well, crimes committed by semi-auto hand guns went up, so we need to ban those.' Then it goes to revolver, then shotguns, etc. and pretty soon all you can have to defend yourself with is a slingshot and a marble.
Earlier in this thread someone posted the stats that showed less crimes are committed with assault weapons than other firearms.
It's not about what's enough. There's just no reason for the ban other than the gun control ninnies wanting to start down the path of banning everything.
As to what's enough to get by with... it's not about getting by. They're just fun to shoot, too. We don't have a ban on alcohol, or sex, and more people die due to either of those every year than all gun-related homicides, much less semi-auto assault weapons.
And let's not even get into what it would cost the government to add another layer of bureaucracy to deal with registration, bans, tracking, etc. There's better things that money can be spent on than this.
The last numbers I saw were through 2005 (so another five years of runtime), and the numbers had held relatively constant. They (England) had an initial e, and then the number plateaued (give or take 100-200 a year).
I guess you could argue that they reached elasticity as far as the violent subset of their population...
What % drop is 100-200?
yeah, you would think the gov't has better things to do than harass honest law-abiding citizens like me & you...And let's not even get into what it would cost the government to add another layer of bureaucracy to deal with registration, bans, tracking, etc. There's better things that money can be spent on than this.
edit: I'm sure they're already registering everything. When they get their background check call when we buy a pistol or rifle, they are supposed to destroy the info when it is OK'd... but they don't, they keep it.
I don't think that's true at all. Especially for the vast majority of the general public. I think it has to do with what you alluded to earlier, pre-conceptions about the dangerous looking AR's. I seriously doubt the motivation is to start chipping away at gun rights over-all and if so, nothing will ever happen to people's shotguns, hunting rifles and handguns and you know it. The gun lobby ain't no .
But we do ban some other things fairly arbitrarily, don't we? The product I use kills nobody and it's a felony every time I smoke it. And I'm not saying people should lay down and get complacent, but , it's not the end of the world. You'll get by.We don't have a ban on alcohol, or sex, and more people die due to either of those every year than all gun-related homicides, much less semi-auto assault weapons.
Like I said, all things being equal, I agree, I just don't get the motivation for making it into such a big issue. It smacks of paranoia.And let's not even get into what it would cost the government to add another layer of bureaucracy to deal with registration, bans, tracking, etc. There's better things that money can be spent on than this.
look...after banning EBR's (Evil Black Rifles), do you think the gun-control maniacs will be happy? What will they do with themselves after that... sit around and say "ok I'm happy". No.
Hunting rifles, target rifles or whatever you call them, with scopes, will be "sniper rifles"...
then it will be shotguns...
... and so forth...
so, in the area of homicides guns are by the far the most commonly-used weapon? perhaps the governent has some interest in regulating guns, no?
I'm not advocating a ban on all guns--or most guns for that matter.* England passed nearly complete bans of guns in 1997. In the two years after that, violent crimes committed with firearms rose 40%
* A DOJ study completed in 2004 found that a person was more likely to be mugged at gunpoint in England than in America, adjusted for incident per 100,000
That gun ban sure is working out well over in England. And they're getting ready to ban kitchen and steak knives next
You're ing scared and paranoid bro.
I'm just not a blissninny...
England banned guns and their firearm homicide rates went up. Same thing for France and Germany after they enacted similar measures. Canada didn't see a decrease either when they enacted their gun laws. There's a trend there, no?
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