Is Manu Ginobili Just A Jump Shooter These Days?

[1Parker1]

The problem is NOT Manu on this team. I have no doubt come playoff time, he's going to be a completely different person if he's even just 85% healthy.

Problem on this team is Bonner, Oberto, and Thomas are your options in the middle along with TD. That's not going to get it done in a Western Conference stacked with quality big men; Shaq, Bynum, Milsap/Boozer, Kmart/Nene, Chandler/West, etc.

[vander]

The problem is NOT Manu on this team. I have no doubt come playoff time, he's going to be a completely different person if he's even just 85% healthy.

Problem on this team is Bonner, Oberto, and Thomas are your options in the middle along with TD. That's not going to get it done in a Western Conference stacked with quality big men; Shaq, Bynum, Milsap/Boozer, Kmart/Nene, Chandler/West, etc.

um, who were our big guys last year when Manu let us down? and the year before when we won it all? yet you are trying to say our problem is these role players whoe are somwhere between 5th - 11th down the depth chart, one of whom is leading the team in +/-

no, its our big 3 that is fading, mainly TD and Manu, TP is still in his prime but he was always the lesser of the 3 IMO.
and while TD brings so much more to the game than points and rebounds, probably the greatest intangibles in the history of Basketball, Manu is nothing more than an overpriced shooter if he can't get to the hoop like he used to. and his crazy assists are now becoming crazy turnovers, he no longer has the freakish athleticism that made his game work.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I've got a new v-Bookie idea... here it goes:

How many of the ing re s in this thread are going to be back on Manu's nuts when he has another great game?

a) 1
b) 2
c) 3
d) Every one except ducks and rascal

You people are ing laughable! not one ounce of backbone. A little trouble comes your way and you'd trade your ing grandmother. When Manu is back to his old self, your going to be on an all crow diet for a long time mother ers.

[vander]

I've got a new v-Bookie idea... here it goes:

How many of the ing re s in this thread are going to be back on Manu's nuts when he has another great game?

a) 1
b) 2
c) 3
d) Every one except ducks and rascal

You people are ing laughable! not one ounce of backbone. A little trouble comes your way and you'd trade your ing grandmother. When Manu is back to his old self, your going to be on an all crow diet for a long time mother ers.

and the cycle continues: observant and objective fan points out Manu's erosion of ability, Manu homer attacks fan with insults because he cannot dispute the actual issue

[Xylus]

Manu for Diaw.

That's a good one.

[urunobili]

I've got a new v-Bookie idea... here it goes:

How many of the ing re s in this thread are going to be back on Manu's nuts when he has another great game?

a) 1
b) 2
c) 3
d) Every one except ducks and rascal

You people are ing laughable! not one ounce of backbone. A little trouble comes your way and you'd trade your ing grandmother. When Manu is back to his old self, your going to be on an all crow diet for a long time mother ers.

rascal, ducks AND vander you should have pointed out... the case in the latter is even worse... he JUST posts to express hate on him... bah' i also saw some TP love somewhere...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

and the cycle continues: observant and objective fan points out Manu's erosion of ability, Manu homer attacks fan with insults because he cannot dispute the actual issue

yeah, that's what you are, an observant and objective fan Observantly and objectively clamoring for Manu's departure for years now. You are not fooling anyone

[sonic21]

Manu for Diaw.

That's a good one.

it's better than Manu+fillers for Amare

[Xylus]

it's better than Manu+fillers for Amare

I'd do a Manu+fillers for Amare trade any ing day of the week.

As for Diaw, he's one of the most talented players in the whole league, but he has about .0005 ounces of heart in him. Ducks is an idiot for suggesting such a trade.

[Xylus]

Scratch that, I would not trade Amare Stoudemire to the Spurs to play next to Duncan.

What the am I thinking?

[vander]

yeah, that's what you are, an observant and objective fan Obsercantly and objectively clamoring for Manu's departure for years now. You are not fooling anyone

hmm, you make an interesting case for manu, some valid points there, I see now how he can still help us win a le is worth keeping

[vander]

rascal, ducks AND vander you should have pointed out... the case in the latter is even worse... he JUST posts to express hate on him... bah' i also saw some TP love somewhere...

sweet, I have reputation

[NFGIII]

Scratch that, I would not trade Amare Stoudemire to the Spurs to play next to Duncan.

What the am I thinking?

I don't know but I like it!


Could you imagine Amare roaming the paint next to TD? Maybe then Pop could get some clorex and wash his brain and then reprogram it the Spurs way.

[Slippy]

The problem Manu faces these days is that he relies on his 3-point shot to get his game going. Hard to fault the guy when you coming back from a long lay-off through foot surgery while trying to get his form and confidence back.

What i hope he does for now is get back to basics . Take what the offense give or as Pop put it the other night let the offense come to him. Feed off guys like Tony and Tim to get his game going. It would be nice to see POP keep one of the other big 2 more often on the court while playing the 2nd unit so Manu's not forced to make things happen on his own.

[Athenea]

um, who were our big guys last year when Manu let us down? and the year before when we won it all? yet you are trying to say our problem is these role players whoe are somwhere between 5th - 11th down the depth chart, one of whom is leading the team in +/-

no, its our big 3 that is fading, mainly TD and Manu, TP is still in his prime but he was always the lesser of the 3 IMO.
and while TD brings so much more to the game than points and rebounds, probably the greatest intangibles in the history of Basketball, Manu is nothing more than an overpriced shooter if he can't get to the hoop like he used to. and his crazy assists are now becoming crazy turnovers, he no longer has the freakish athleticism that made his game work.

So here is the deal according to u, re :
When the Spurs win it's WE WON and when they lose it's MANU LET US DOWN.
Vander u r as much of a hater as Ducks is. Try to type some day without TP's balls in front of ur face. They are messing with ur vision.

[BradLohaus]

Manu's 3 point % by year:

02-03 .345
03-04 .359
04-05 .376
05-06 .382
06-07 .396
07-08 .401
09-09 .347

He improved every single year, but this year he has regressed all the way back to his rookie year... when I cringed every time he shot a 3. Thing is, he didn't shoot that many 3's when he first got here, now he shoots a bunch.

So if he can't get back to being a ~40% 3 point shooter then he has to become rookie Manu again and take it to the basket with reckless abandon. If he can't do either of those things then he has to shoot fewer 3s and have a decreased role on the court, period, end of story.

[vander]

manu provin me right, game after game

[mogrovejo]

Anyways, Manu is driving into the paint as much as he was last season. He's finishing even better than he was last season. The only thing wrong with his offense is that he's not hitting his jumpers at a high enough rate -- specifically his three-pointers.

He's not dunking, he might have a few more "interesting" turnovers per minute but Ginobili's general play offensively is the same as last season.

That's true. But those are the "good news".

The scary part for Spurs fans is that the change on his shot-selection has already started last season, or, more accurately, 2 seasons ago - that's why you can say he's driving into the paint as much as he was last season:

Emanuel Ginobili (% of jump-shots/ % of inside shots)

02/03 60% 40%
03/04 61% 39%
04/05 56% 44%
05/06 60% 40%
06/07 66% 34%
07/08 74% 26%
08/09 73% 27%

He has stopped the decline this season, but his shot-selection is now way more jump-shooting oriented than 3 years ago.

[Man In Black]

What amazes me is why some of you think Ducks is an expert in the game of basketball?

He regurgitates what others write and then slants it to fit his newest I HATE MANU post tied to his TONY IS GREAT posts.

He's an idiot.

IF he wants to battle me, I will slay him with the facts because I know, there isn't a player that competes at a higher level than Ginobili. No player can turn it on every game, not one. Even Jordan missed game winners.

So I ask again...what makes Ducks a basketball expert? He ain't one and for all of his analysis, does anyone notice how some of his post are diametrically opposed?

[mrspurs]

manu provin me right, game after game

True, but there are still alot of games to be played.

[mrspurs]

That's true. But those are the "good news".

The scary part for Spurs fans is that the change on his shot-selection has already started last season, or, more accurately, 2 seasons ago - that's why you can say he's driving into the paint as much as he was last season:

Emanuel Ginobili (% of jump-shots/ % of inside shots)

02/03 60% 40%
03/04 61% 39%
04/05 56% 44%
05/06 60% 40%
06/07 66% 34%
07/08 74% 26%
08/09 73% 27%

He has stopped the decline this season, but his shot-selection is now way more jump-shooting oriented than 3 years ago.

Anyone whos been watching the games could see this. But these numbers are pretty good. This proves he's nothing more then a jump shooter.

[Man In Black]

Everyone here knows is that Manu has been nudged nee' ORDERED to lay off the attacks until playoff time to prevent him from getting mugged daily by the other teams in the L. Even though he does that, he'll still find a way to add more to his El Contusion moniker.

So in that aspect, it's by design. But come playoff time, he gets free reign. That's the deal her folks. Health. If the team is healthy, they have just as good a chance as the other favorites. FACT!

[it's me]

manu provin me right, game after game

[Manu-of-steel]

the silence of manu haters is deafening. manu woke up from his mini-slump, woe to the haters.

[Hemotivo]

What amazes me is why some of you think Ducks is an expert in the game of basketball?

He regurgitates what others write and then slants it to fit his newest I HATE MANU post tied to his TONY IS GREAT posts.

He's an idiot.