You do realize how many times he's saved us....?
I do not understand people wanting to trade Manu. The dude is the heart, engine, and whatever other cliche thing you want to throw in there for this team. The is no other player in this league that plays like him. There are players who are better w/out a doubt, but another player who plays like he does? I don't know of any besides Rudy Fernandez and D-Wade.
You used a past tense. He's talking about now.
The answer is still "no" anyway.
Manu is not a beast anymore
You do know you're backing a hasbeen, right?
@ This thread
The rest of the 29 other teams would love to take Ginobili off the Spurs hands.
Fans don't realize what they've got until he's gone. We may find out in 2010.
Trade the Mangoo. The Devil himself could not tame this wild beast. (if there really was a Devil) He is unpredictable,unreliable and has bad eatting habits. Trade him to the Bucks I say for both of their picks this year. Redd is hurt. The Bucks will be a lotto team and would welcome the Mangoo. Do it Spews.
He may never be the player he once was, nobody can know for sure. But to say that we'd be lucky to get Zerbiak's expiring contract for him is beyond re ed. He's still our third best player, he can play under Pop's system with his eyes closed and he's 18th in the league in PER (to some that's like saying he is the 18th best player in the NBA) go look at his stats, you may surprise yourself to see that his numbers are actually pretty good.
THIS
The sad thing is, Spurs fans already had an opportunity early this season to get a taste of life without Manu. Just because we scraped by a couple of terrible/injured teams does not mean we'd be fine without him.
Appreciate what you have now, the greener grass is an illusion.
Well just off the top of my head i can think of: vs Atlanta, vs the Lakers at home, at chicago and last night.
Pretty good won't get it done. Pretty good doesn't equal 10 million a year. And yes, they would be lucky to get Wally's expiring deal for him, considering the cavs and nets have been talking for some time about a VC/Wally deal. And anyone who thinks Carter isn't better than Manu is absolutely out of their mind.
Well he isn't. Try to get Carter to average 15 points in only 10 fg attemps and 3.5 assts, 4.5 rbds, 1.5 stls in 25 minutes per game.
Besides the Nets aren't a contender type of team, they'd rather rebuild than get players to improve now.
To argue about something, you need to get a clue first.
Casual fans that think they know anything about the NBA really make me laugh.
When has Manu EVER been a franchise player in the NBA? When has Manu EVER seen double teams on a consistent basis? I'll tell you, Never.
Carter? He's been the franchise player on every team he's been on. He has been the go-to guy. And Manu is only averaging so many points in so little minutes because he's gunning. Per 48 minute stats are illusions and horse . Carter is shooting roughly the same percentage as Manu from the floor and he faces double teams on a nightly basis. I could just imagine what Carter would be able to do with Tim Duncan on his team. Recently Shaq said the only difference between Carter and Kobe was that Carter has never played with a great big man like Kobe has.
I think it's pretty obvious that Vince has been much better than Manu this season, but that's not what the discussion is about..btw, New Jersey rejected the Wally offer a long time ago, and they aren't trading VC for something like that, since he's been their leader this season..
as for trading Manu..I would definitely think about it, but I highly doubt we would get equal value..Manu is the type of player that means more to us than he would to any other team..we'd have to find a desperate team to get something good out of him..who would give up a good, young player for an older, injury prone player that might never get to the level he was previously at pre-injury?..
no to Kaman or Dalembert, those would be horrible deals..
we're probably much better off hoping Manu can re-gain his form, since that would be a better player than anybody we could get in return..
NBA fans that don't know about the rest of the basketball world and think that this league is all that matters made me laugh, just to let you know more than half of NBA teams wouldn't win the Euroleague (including the Nets).
Ginobili has been a franchise player all his life (except in the NBA where he played along Duncan. Carter would had never been a franchise player with Tim as a teammate during his whole career) and even though he never was a franchise player in the NBA, he's the closest thing to it, he's no role player. I could just imagine what Ginobili would be able to do with the freedom of taking 20 shots per game and the permisson to rest instead of playing defense.
And Shaq just said that 'cause he hates Kobe.
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I'm sorry..that's crazy!
Vince Carter is a talented, athletic player but he doesn't bring anything else to the table. Also, he can be incredibly lazy on the defensive end and doesn't have the intangibles that Manu has.
Last night's game was an example of Manu who had a terrible offensive game..was the guy in the clutch making all his free throws (eight I believe) and two huge rebounds at the end of the game.
Manu deserves a chance to get fully healthy. And he's the X-Factor for the Spurs. Yes, he makes some terrible TO's...but he's a playmaker and there's no way the FO are going to get rid of him.
It amazes how many Spurs fans are so ready to trade him.....unbelievable!!
+1
Plus....the FO knows what they have with Manu and they are not going to trade him!!!
I could give you that. But I will never let somebody say that Carter is a better player than Manu.
Is this a serious question?
We avg. 14 pts 3 assists in 27 min. He is our spark when we need a score.
He is 100% owned in the fantasy.
But the best part is he only costs 9 mil this year.
I can't believe everone's giving up on him already. Yes it's been hard to watch him struggling like this but like he said he's never been out for three months without playing any basketball so of course it might be hard to get some consistancy right away. Hopefully by playoff time he'll be the Manu that everybody wants. So far I've seen games where he looks better than ever and then these games where he's looked horrible so I think he can eventually put it together. Manu won't bring us any value anyways other than some bench scrubs with the amount he's making. Just wait until Manu leaves the Spurs to go after one of those big FA and see how we do.
We not trading Manu. Manu should be fine as the season continues and he's not really the main concern, frontline help is. Manu may never get to his usual self before this season ends, he may have to wait til next season when he has a summer to get in better physical shape and timing. Hopefully, by playoffs he will resemble himself a bit but trading him is not even on the table, we can get what we need without doing such so why bother unless Bynum and Bryant are coming in the deal.
I would have traded him this past summer for David Lee and Jamaal Crawford:
Lee 15ppg/11rbs JC 20ppg/4ast
That would look nice right now, but Manu has the potential to make any trade involving him look bad.
The drop off in scoring won't be as bad as you may think. You bring in another big capable of scoring and with the development of Hill and more minutes for both Hill and Mason and the improvement the new big will have over the weak frontcourt players that the spurs are currently using that should be more than enough to offset what you will lose by losing Manu.
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