http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...sides-wit.html
Come on your hypocritical s (boutons, etc.). You guys reemed Bush for this, called him Hitler, etc. What do you have to say for your Messiah?The Obama administration fell in line with the Bush administration Thursday when it urged a federal judge to set aside a ruling in a closely watched spy case weighing whether a U.S. president may bypass Congress and establish a program of eavesdropping on Americans without warrants.
In a filing in San Francisco federal court, President Barack Obama adopted the same position as his predecessor. With just hours left in office, President George W. Bush late Monday asked U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker to stay enforcement of an important Jan. 5 ruling admitting key evidence into the case.
Thursday's filing by the Obama administration marked the first time it officially lodged a court do ent in the lawsuit asking the courts to rule on the cons utionality of the Bush administration's warrantless-eavesdropping program. The former president approved the wiretaps in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
"The Government's position remains that this case should be stayed," the Obama administration wrote (.pdf) in a filing that for the first time made clear the new president was on board with the Bush administration's reasoning in this case.
Pale Black man speaks with Forked tongue!
Here you go I supported Obama AHF...
I ing hate this side of the Obama administration. But what are you gonna do? There's alot of things I can't stand about Obamas policies and this is one of them. Just like I can't stand his support of Israel and AIPAC.
He's just a man but he's the president and also a politician. I don't think anyone expected him to come in and change the world like crazy. No matter what people think he's not that much of a far left. He's in no way going to do a 180 on all Bush policies.
Pale Black man speaks with Forked tongue!
I chuckled...
I'd be curious about whether there was something case specific to guide the position taken in this particular case. But I'm also convinced, no matter who implements the concept, that warrantless taps are uncons utional. That I agree or support, by and large, the new President doesn't change my view of the program and it won't diminish my insistence that it is legally-impermissible.
Thanx. The Cherokee in me slipped out for a moment. I'm not even sure how that tangent came about. Remember the classic westerns, and the way they would stereotype the Indian's speaking? I don't even remember what movie, but "Pale man speak with forked tongue" was a classic. It meant he was a two-faced liar, or Flip-flopped...
I chuckled...
HA!
That made me shart.
Change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really don't follow those who claim Obama flip-flopped on this... I mean he voted FOR the FISA extension and amnesty program before the election...
End thread.
Here's an article from today.
No stay in wiretap lawsuit; Obama position still unclear
A federal judge last week refused to stay an order allowing an Islamic charity's lawsuit against the NSA to proceed. Meanwhile, with the confirmation of the new attorney general held up, it remains to be seen whether the new administration will change course.
As we noted last week, Justice Department attorneys spent the waning days of the Bush administration fighting to block an order handed down earlier this month by Judge Vaughn Walker, which gave a green light to a suit filed by a defunct charity, the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, believed to have been spied on under the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretap program. That means the government will have to continue reviewing do ents for declassification or in camera scrutiny by Walker--and processing security clearance applications for Al-Haramain's attorneys--while the judge considers whether to grant an appeal, with a compliance deadline of February 13.
Technically, the Justice Department's attorneys are now acting on behalf of the Obama administration. But with the confirmation vote on prospective attorney general Eric Holder delayed, DOJ remains in what Al-Haramain lead attorney Jon Eisenberg calls a "strange limbo."
"It is true that the DOJ filed something on Thursday purporting to be on behalf of Obama," Eisenberg explains. "There's no indication whatsoever that it really is on behalf of Obama. It wasn't really a misrepresentation, but right now the Bush people are in charge. If they filed something... he is the president, but I'd be surprised if Obama had time to concern himself with this on Thursday."
For the moment, that leaves Bush appointee Mark Filip, an Illinois judge who formerly clerked for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, at the helm. The career attorneys arguing the case have thus far persisted in their argument that the very fact of whether or not Al-Haramain's directors were surveilled--a fact already established by a secret memo accidentally turned over to the foundation's attorneys, which they've been barred from invoking directly--is a national security secret. Whether that tune will change after the confirmation of Holder and David Kris, Obama's pick to head DOJ's National Security Division, remains to be seen.
ahf shows his ass again before knowing key facts.
Uhm... I'm not sure if you noticed this, but progressives ripped on Obama for his FISA vote. A great many of them. I think they even used his website to do it, if I recall correctly.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115140
As usual, Aggie steps on his in a mad rush to blame libs for all things bad.
Indeed they did.
My wife, who followed such things noted a marked difference between Obama's website and Clintons in that debate was relatively unfettered on Obamas, and non-existant on hers.
From my observations of McCain's website during the campaign, his had no meaningful dissent/discussion as well.
I have been extremely impressed with his first couple of weeks so far. The right tone, and a lot of the right moves.
Wow. AHF can step on his ?http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115140
As usual, Aggie steps on his in a mad rush to blame libs for all things bad.
Apparently, he can. It explains much, considering there is only so much blood in the human body...
(j/k A)
He has very very short legs.
Even then, I'm impressed.
I've always liked AHF, but I think I've gone from respect to awe.
as usual, liberals out with the insults.
-Mars
Because face it, no man wants to be reminded that he is in danger of stepping on his own schmegegge.
I love you man, don't ever change.
Actually telling someone that they are factually incorrect isn't technically an insult.
Remove the more crude language, and the observation that AHF will post anything he gets his hands on with no fact checking or regards for intellectual honesty in a rush to depict liberals as bad in any and every way he can remains.
An insult would have been for me to call him a moron or an idiot, which I did not do. In all honesty "stepping on ones " does indirectly imply that AHF is not smart enough to do fact checking, so in this case you may have a point.
To be clear:
I think AHF is smart enough to do fact checking. I do not, however, think he is honest or fair enough to do so.
That may indeed be a direct insult, but if anybody here can say to me with a straight face that AHF is not a total partisan hack and AHF demonstrated any fairness in any of his political threads, I will take it all back.
I'm just waiting for his "Whoops, my bad" post here.
Don't hold your breath. Wild Cobra never owns his mistakes.I'm just waiting for his "Whoops, my bad" post here.
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