Ginobili is Absolutely Terrible.

[DAF86]

His turnovers have become harder and harder to swallow.

I don't think he's terrible, but I don't have much faith that he will become the player he once was. I think he is going to be injury prone the rest of his career and press to much to make things happen causing him to be a turnover machine like we've seen of late.

Unfortunately, there is a contengent of Spurs fans that won't care if he plays like and the Spurs keep him until he is 52 years old. He will still be doing no wrong.

I have no problem with Manu beign traded for somebody that would make us better. unfortunately, there is a contengent of Spurs fans that would came up with stupid trades scenarios like: "Manu for Stephen Jackson straight up".

[Man In Black]

Another posse member with nothing to offer. smb.

That's all you got. Look we all know that you yell as loud as you do to your "shortcomings". I get that.

But the truth of the matter is that that guy, #20 is doing all he can do to get back into rhythm and shape without a training camp and with some really new players who have to learn to be symbiotic with him.

Other than your wife, who are you symbiotic with? On this board...you're in the minority. Deal with it. And you're still small...small-minded.

[NFGIII]

I have to admit that Manu's TOs are getting to me also -some of them are down right silly and foolish - but I don't see many in the league with the heart and soul he has. This dude is a warrior, one of the fiercest compe ors ever in the league and a top 5 finisher in the NBA or at least he was prior to his ankle injury. He isn't 100% and maybe he never will be. But his 85 - 90% surpasses most players' 100%. His fourth quarter in Utah was just epic. He was the reason that the Spurs won because if he is shooting FTs like the rest of the team then we probably lose. At times how many points scored isn't indicative of the impact that a player had on the game. Steals, rebounds, hustle plays...etc. can play just as important a role as points. And considering that he scored 13 pts on 5 shots is a pretty good ratio IMHO.

I'm still going to give him his just dues and wait and see what happens in the playoffs. Many will argue that would be too late by then - ie...trade - but I don't see too many players available in respect to equal or similar value. But I'm not going to discuss trade value here since there are several threads already posted to that effect.

It's January and there is plenty of time to get it together. RRT trip about to commence and things have a tendency to start working out. Prior results aren't always indicative of future ones but this time of year has been good to the Spurs so I will remain optomistic.

[rayray2k8]

Here you go dumbassess!
Manu has always played that style!
Goddamn noob spurs fans.
His whole career he's been turnover prone!
Ss why is this a surprise to you guys? I bet the geniuses that start up
these threads haven't even been spurs fans for more than 3-4 years..
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/...tsnsq5zV1pPKB4

[temujin]

Re ed.
If you're behind by 30 with 4mins left in the four, you can have all the Manus you want on your team, that's a defeat.
You've got to be close enough to compete in the first place.

yeap.

Some people just don't get it.

Toi, par example.

[temujin]

I did read carefully dude.
First, yes Manu is our best closer. Yes he's the guy I want with the ball in the last moments of a close game.
We'll be behind by 20 every game against the top teams if he doesn't show up before the last 3mins. Who cares having the best finisher in the game if you can't be close enough to compete.

See Spurs-Lakers.

Lakers at Spurs was pretty close and Ginobili had a good game. Guess who the whole Lakers defense was chasing in that last play?
Spurs at Lakers was not close. 18 bricks -out of 23 shots- from 3 might have something to do with it.

There are other obvious reasons why most playoffs games are close.

[NFGIII]

Here you go dumbassess!
Manu has always played that style!
Goddamn noob spurs fans.
His whole career he's been turnover prone!
Ss why is this a surprise to you guys? I bet the geniuses that start up
these threads haven't even been spurs fans for more than 3-4 years..
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/...tsnsq5zV1pPKB4

STFU with the logic! That has no place in this discussion. Only ing and whining. Those fans just wanna moan & groan. That's how they get off.

[kace]

Wow, and I thought Parker got it bad from the Spurs fans sometimes but this thread is ridiculous.

Sequ should be banned for life.

manu is unfairly bashed by overreacting fans because of his recent poor play. you always see that with some players (manu, bonner, finley...). some others are always out of this bs (tim, hill, mason) for whatever reason.

Tony is at an different level of bashing, since the better he play, the more he's bashed, by some "fans" who just can't stand him doing well. that's true hate, man.

don't worry, you will see tons of praising threads about manu as soons as he'll play well. you'll never see those about tony though.

[rayray2k8]

STFU with the logic! That has no place in this discussion. Only ing and whining. Those fans just wanna moan & groan. That's how they get off.

[superbigtime]

I wish Manu would just understand that he is a target for both defenders and refs because of his bizarre style. Refs are quick to call travels on him, and he won't get a charge call hardly at all nowadays. If he would quit waiting until the absolute last possible moment to make a shot or pass he would have fewer turnovers. He fakes himself out half the time. He's a spazz and looks like he needs seizure medication.

I'd like to point out that Tony parker has a higher 3 point percentage than Manu, whose percentage is at the level when he was a rookie, around .350. Ouch. Manu, get your ing head on straight.

[ElNono]

His turnovers have become harder and harder to swallow.

He's averaging LESS turnovers than he had last year. Maybe since he was putting up 20+ a night you didn't give a crap back then?

I don't think he's terrible, but I don't have much faith that he will become the player he once was. I think he is going to be injury prone the rest of his career and press to much to make things happen causing him to be a turnover machine like we've seen of late.

And you base he's going to be injury prone the rest of his career because? He has not missed a game since coming back from surgery.

Unfortunately, there is a contengent of Spurs fans that won't care if he plays like and the Spurs keep him until he is 52 years old. He will still be doing no wrong.

And there always will be the contingent of Spurs fans suggesting idiotic trades at inopportune times. I still remember people asking to trade Duncan when he had planar fasciitis... how he would never recover, blah blah blah...

[lefty]

Sequ WTF ???

[de Soto]

Both Manu and Tony are on/off type of guys. No consistency whatsoever like Tim.

[SequSpur]

who are you symbiotic with? On this board....

and you? Dusty isn't here, so smb.

[mookie2001]

did yall see the spurs notebook in the express today
headline
Ginobili trying to find consistency-

how long do we have to hear this

i had a nightmare in 2011 he sucks even worse and is still trying to "regain his form"
how long does this POS get?

listen to this dude sequspur he knows what hes talking about

[mookie2001]

or Manu playing basketball is year round, so after a long layoff its understandable that his timing is off. He sees the plays but his body is not responding like he wants, yet.

It's going to be so sweet when he gets his feel back and is comfortable. He is playing alright basketball making up for his shaky offense with timely plays. That's really enough for now, his rhythym is still being honed, and the newcomers making big contributions to pick up the slack.

Manu with a ed up ankle last year STILL was the huge reason for a Spurs win against the Lakers. Barring any setbacks Manu balling out of control during the playoffs is easily feasible, with a stronger cast of teamates that got their seasoning while Manu was rounding into form.

If Manu was playing PO basketball now it would be a waste plus it would re the growth and the meshing process of Mason and Hill, since they would be relied on less.

sickening

[mookie2001]

For 3 got damn years we've been talking about manu sore this, manu sore this, manu is coming back to form, manu this, manu that, wah fukin manu, manu > tony, manu should be an allstar, manu is going bald, manu played well again, manu didn't show up again, where in the is manu? oh, did you see the manu play...

you know what...I'm tired of the Manu bull ... blend in, show the fuk up, be a role player and quit the bull .

/yall have been BDusted i saiddd!

[SequSpur]

did yall see the spurs notebook in the express today
headline
Ginobili trying to find consistency-

how long do we have to hear this

i had a nightmare in 2011 he sucks even worse and is still trying to "regain his form"
how long does this POS get?

listen to this dude sequspur he knows what hes talking about

exactly...

You see Man in Black or Tango, whatever, smb, there is some symbiotic up in here...

fo.

[Manu-of-steel]

exactly...

You see Man in Black or Tango, whatever, smb, there is some symbiotic up in here...

fo.

if it were timvp or kori ellis who agreed with you, then, that's the time i would say i'm blind in not supporting your stance. they are the most respected persons in ST. i'm not saying that anything they say, i would agree. what i'm saying is that they are my measuring stick. they write after analyzing a certain situation.. you sequspur? you are my source of laughter. your posts make my day. lol

[SequSpur]

if it were timvp or kori ellis who agreed with you, then, that's the time i would say i'm blind in not supporting your stance. they are the most respected persons in ST. i'm not saying that anything they say, i would agree. what i'm saying is that they are my measuring stick. they write after analyzing a certain situation.. you sequspur? you are my source of laughter. your posts make my day. lol

timvp wanted to keep Malik Rose and Avery Johnson.


yeah.. uh huh..

[ducks]

Both Manu and Tony are on/off type of guys. No consistency whatsoever like Tim.

last year tp was most consistent spur

[stéphane]

Lakers at Spurs was pretty close and Ginobili had a good game. Guess who the whole Lakers defense was chasing in that last play?
Spurs at Lakers was not close. 18 bricks -out of 23 shots- from 3 might have something to do with it.

There are other obvious reasons why most playoffs games are close.

Guess why we're taking 23 treys.

Edit : And in the first place where did I say that Manu had a terrible against the Lakers. That's two different subjects. First that we need an healthy big three to compete in the playoffs and second that Manu has to be consistent comes PO time. If you can't listen to what I'm saying and just merge the two things, there's no point arguing.

[stéphane]

Toi, par example.

And avoid writing in french

[Manu-of-steel]

timvp wanted to keep Malik Rose and Avery Johnson.


yeah.. uh huh..

there was a reason why malik and avery were wanted. malik was a one of the role players who contributed to our cause. and avery, although personally i don't like him, he was a coach who steered the mavs to their only trip to the finals. yes, there were good reasons. and you? what's your reason for wanting a player like manu out? turnovers?it has been pointed out that this year-he has the lowest turnover rate in his career. points/game? yes it's down but he is still recovering from his injury. but he has shown flashes of brilliance, and even fans of other teams would not want to go off against a team with manu in the end-game. you are jumping into conclusion that manu is in a downhill of his career. why not wait till april or may before airing your myopic conclusion.

[Dr. Gonzo]

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