Trade Parker For Calderon

[DPG21920]

Again, I like Calderon but I think the Raptors overestimated what they had. It appears they thought the grass was greener on the other side but it hasn't worked out that way.

I disagree that they played above their heads last season. In fact, Mitc was almost fired at the end of the year because they supposedly underperformed. Two seasons ago, the Raptors won 47 games ... and that was with a worse version of Bosh, a worse version of Bargnani and even worse perimeter players. In fact, they didn't have a swingman who averaged more than 9 points per game.

Fast forward two years and Bosh is better, Bargnani is better, the bigs are better and the swingmen are better. The only difference is that the keys to the point guard position have been fully given to Calderon. The result? 47 wins down to a pace of 33 wins.

It's not all Calderon's fault; it's more of the fault of the Raptors thinking they had a star in Calderon rather than a very good role player.

What, What, What???????????

[portnoy1]

my bottom line is i just want parker to look for his teammates more instead of the rim cause' he can score anytime he wants to.

[Brazil]

my bottom line is i just want parker to look for his teammates more instead of the rim cause' he can score anytime he wants to.

you make my day

[portnoy1]

how did i do that ?

[Brazil]

You give me the opportunity to have a good LMAO

[Trainwreck2100]

[portnoy1]

good for you bro.

[Brazil]

good for you bro.

Thanks bro

see u in few days or hours for a new Trade Parker thread bro I'm sure you won't let me down bro

[Lackluster]

tony parker: 20.4 ppg - - 6.6 apg
jose calderon: 13.4 ppg - - 8.6 apg

i'll take tony's +7 ppg over 2 assists everytime. especially when he's shooting 49% from the field and is capable of going off for 30, 40, 50+

and is 2 assists really that much that it designates calderon as this ultimate facilitator and tony as this shoot first PG that can't pass/get his teammates going?

same goes for guys like kidd, billups, davis, and anyone else not named paul or williams. we're talking about less than 2 apg here. seems like splitting hairs to me.

[Pauleta14]

Let me say that the whole effeciency rating is great. Parker shoots a high percentage from the field and the list goes on and on about how good of a player he is. but every johnson was not that talented, but he knew his abilities although limited and he knew his role and filled it perfectly. All I want from parker is to stop trying to figure out dfferent ways to score but start getting others involved. Like a real point guard should. The one time that parker played a great all around game was the palyoff series against the GRIZZLIES in 2004. I like tp. I just want a little brain and heart activity than skill. It has been 8 yrs ya know.

It's fun because that's maybe the one thing that impressed most in Tony Parker since he came in the league!!
He came(too?) young, with no jump shot, not even able to dunk, not clutch, bad FT shooter, no 3s...I mean ...!!!!!!!!
But he used his strengths (speed, ability to go to the rim WHEN HE WANTS, selfconfidence...) to fill in Spurs system and earn his place in starting 5 only 5 games coming into the season!
I mean the guy is smart and knows what he can/can't do and does is quite wisely...
At least, if you realy love the Spurs and have followed them since TP's arrival, you have to have noticed that he improved his game EVERY YEARS! always adding something to his game...
A far as this year, he improved his FT shooting to 80%!
His jumpshot is now respected either by his teamated(lol) and the opponents.
He proved he CAN be clutch!
His decision making improved too...
And he is only 26 (!) and is gaining veteran experience (8 years in the league, 3 rings, 2 ASG, +100 PO games...)!!

You'll probably think that I 'm a TP homer (whitch I'm not, just opposed to TP bashers ) but you have to find better arguments/comparaisons than that!
If you start watching what he brings to the team, not what he doesn't, you could be supprised...

[Phenomanul]

Again, I like Calderon but I think the Raptors overestimated what they had. It appears they thought the grass was greener on the other side but it hasn't worked out that way.

I disagree that they played above their heads last season. In fact, Mitc was almost fired at the end of the year because they supposedly underperformed. Two seasons ago, the Raptors won 47 games ... and that was with a worse version of Bosh, a worse version of Bargnani and even worse perimeter players. In fact, they didn't have a swingman who averaged more than 9 points per game.

Fast forward two years and Bosh is better, Bargnani is better, the bigs are better and the swingmen are better. The only difference is that the keys to the point guard position have been fully given to Calderon. The result? 47 wins down to a pace of 33 wins.

It's not all Calderon's fault; it's more of the fault of the Raptors thinking they had a star in Calderon rather than a very good role player.

I guess what I'm saying is that the tandem of Calderon + TJ Ford was greater than either player by himself. So if they're worse off at the point this year it is because they obviously lost considerable talent in Ford. IMO they would be in the same boat this year if it had been Calderon that was traded to the Pacers.

Didn't the Raptors also lose a recovered Garbajosa during the offseason as well?

The Raptors woes stem from losing too many pieces and not gaining enough in return.

[portnoy1]

fair enough. but once again the future. 3 yrs from now parker cant just dump the ball in to tim when he's in trouble or let manu do his thing in the 4th quarter because they both might be retired. He will have to learn to be the man and do more than score.

[FromWayDowntown]

So, even though Parker's coach is pretty insistent that Parker look for his shot as much as possible, at least one fan thinks that Parker is, essentially, unsatisfactory unless he chooses to defy his coach's instructions and look to be more of a creator than a scorer?

[FromWayDowntown]

Oh, and when Tim and Manu are done, I'd be SHOCKED if Tony Parker remained a Spur. I fully expect that the curtain coming down on Tim Duncan's career will bring with it wholesale changes and long-term rebuilding for the Spurs.

I don't think the Spurs are making many moves at this point with the future beyond the end of Duncan's career in mind. They're trying to get younger now, IMO, not in an effort to sustain their successes beyond Timmy's retirement but in an effort to maximize the chances that they can put another ring or two in Timmy's collection. In the summer of 2010, that might change, but in 2009, that is pretty clearly not the aim.

[portnoy1]

im not opposed to tony parker just like your not a tp homer. but looking at the court vision of a williams, nash and paul not in that order of course, parker must learn their skills before duncan and ginobili retires so he can help the other young guys that will be on the team. And parker has improved, ESPECIALLY HIS JUMPER. I'll give him that. I watch all the games. even the ones before he came into the league. so i follow what your sayin, im just thinkin about when tim and manu wont be here.

[Spursone]

Please reframe from smoking crack before starting a thread!

[timvp]

I guess what I'm saying is that the tandem of Calderon + TJ Ford was greater than either player by himself.

Agree. That's what I think Colangelo didn't recognize. It appeared as he thought he could simply play Calderon more and replace what Ford gave to the team ... when in actuality, the tandem of Calderon and Ford was what was winning games.

So if they're worse off at the point this year it is because they obviously lost considerable talent in Ford. IMO they would be in the same boat this year if it had been Calderon that was traded to the Pacers.

Also agreed. Calderon and Ford combined to make a near superstar level point guard tandem. Separated, they are both good but not nearly as great. Both of their weaknesses are magnified now.

[portnoy1]

Please reframe from smoking crack before starting a thread!

yeah i know, im tryin to cut down. lol

[lefty]

You mean the result of the Raptors becoming a much worse team after handing the keys to Calderon and trading away Ford?

And you saying Calderon is a better defender than Parker tells me you haven't watched him play. Calderon is the worst defensive starting point guard in the league.

They lost most of their games while Calederon was out for an injury.

They are 3/3 since he came back.

[Brazil]

im not opposed to tony parker just like your not a tp homer. but looking at the court vision of a williams, nash and paul not in that order of course, parker must learn their skills before duncan and ginobili retires so he can help the other young guys that will be on the team. And parker has improved, ESPECIALLY HIS JUMPER. I'll give him that. I watch all the games. even the ones before he came into the league. so i follow what your sayin, im just thinkin about when tim and manu wont be here.

For the moment they are here and TP is playing the way Pop wants him to play. The aim is to win another one not to make experiments to know how TP will play when td and manu will retire. By the way Tim retirement => Pop retirement => IMHO high potential of TP trade

[portnoy1]

For the moment they are here and TP is playing the way Pop wants him to play. The aim is to win another one not to make experiments to know how TP will play when td and manu will retire. By the way Tim retirement => Pop retirement => IMHO high potential of TP trade

amen to that.

[JPB]

my bottom line is i just want parker to look for his teammates more instead of the rim cause' he can score anytime he wants to.

I suggest you read the 100000000000000 threads about that topic before starting a 1000000000000001.

[portnoy1]

amen to that.

what do you think it will take for the spurs to win this year? in your most honest opinion.

[portnoy1]

I suggest you read the 100000000000000 threads about that topic before starting a 1000000000000001.

yeah probably should. my bad just signed on yesterday.

[JPB]

Schizophrenia ?