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How does this fix the problem in the middle?
Why the would any team want our scrubs for a productive player? Udoka is MIA and Bonner is only good for hitting jumpers. Might as well keep Salmons if you're the Kings.
How does this fix the problem in the middle?
They want immediate cap relief. Udoka gives them that. They've been trying to trade Salmons all year.
It doesn't, it would still help them.
Possible that a good mid-range game brings some defenders out of the middle? It doesn't fix it, but it probably helps. We don't need a star to help Timmy - just somebody tall, long and functional (almost Mahinmi like.) Having another player that can create gives us insurance during some of our infamous scoring droughts.
Or Salmon's defense keeps wings out of the paint so their lack of shot blocking and help defense won't play as big a factor.
We pull a "Barry, Thomas, Seattle" kind of move: we tell the Kings to let Finley go once the trade is made and then we tell Michael that we'd sign him again. I think Fin would accept that to make the team better.
basically suggested a trade.
Agreed, but if the FO doesn't plan to make a move like that, this trade would be better than nothing. Salmons is a great defender and could turn into the next Bruce Bowen in a couple of years. Besides he's pretty good on offense too.
That worked because Carlesimo and Presti were in the mix up there. The Ma-Goof Bros. won't go for that type of Tom-Foolery.....
But this isn't a stupid or "unmakeable" trade.
Why not? they want to get rid of Salmons, Finley isn't useful for them and if we tell them that's the only way to make the trade work I think they would do it.
Our mid-range game improves by adding this guy? That's to say he's a better jump-shooter than either Manu, Mason or Finley. I might buy an argument against Finley at this point, but it only makes us deeper at our deepest position. Perhaps he helps on the defensive end, but defending the wing isn't our most pressing need atm. Getting a good center is.
Mason and Finley are more spot up jump shooters, but Salmons is usually driving to the basket and shooting - that difference usually draws more defenders. I'd rather have Salmons at the 3 than Finley when we need offense (i.e. Tim in foul trouble or being double teamed.)
I'd rather have Salmons instead of Finley when we need defense too.
I would too, but that would mean Pop giving up his legendary "man-crush" on the Findog. Aint happenin'.
Anyway, still need a big.
Salmons would be just as good as a big. Another slasher/scorer/ball handler is just as good as a big man for the Spurs.
Plus, he gets to the line. He's shooting 82% at the FT line and getting 4.63 attempts per game - not bad compared to Kobe's 7.02
Of course we do, but I think it's starting to seem like we don't have the chips to get one. Get a good player that can help your team at a different position that needs help and then go out and get a functional big. Not the best solution, but to me it seems better than going at as is.
this is where i stand on the salmons issue. i dont think hes a need and im not sure we really have enough to get him. we have bigger issues in the front court. but im just not sure we have the pieces to land the kind of big we want/need either. so if it comes to standing pat, or making a move on salmons, id at least want to explore that option.
the question would be how much would we be willing to offer? im not sure a protected 2011 1st is all that enticing to the kings. ian holds no value at this point in time. and would the spurs be willing to move splitters rights? plus, we are probably going to have to send out one of the bigs to match salary, so we need to pick up another big for insurance.
it ends up having a lot going on, so im not sure its all that likely. but then again, im a salmons fan, so i would hope that it would.
Let's trade Parker and Manu for Beno and Salmons!
you guys need to realize that our D was fine with Oberto at C before..3rd last season in interior D and overall D..
Bonner isn't ideal, but the less penetration we allow, the better our D will be..so perimeter D is a must..
as for Salmons..I'm a fan of his, but I'd rather get Garcia from the Kings..better defender, and better fit for out team..
ive been hot and cold on garcia in the past. last year he shot some very nice percentages, and was very active defensively. and from the limited bits ive seen of him this season, he still is bringing it defensively. but his shooting seems off this season. and his foul rate is (as usual) a bit high for a wing player. a bit of that is due to his defensive style, but a bit is poor decisions while defending on the perimeter.
if i had to choose between netting garcia at market value, and maybe overpaying a bit for salmons, id lean toward salmons. but again, im a fan, so my opinion is skewed.
I'd go either way, ss..I agree with your assessment though..in the games I've seen Garcia this season, he didn't really impress me that much, particularly his decision making on both sides of the floor..but my pick of Garcia is considering the fact that the Kings could probably get a much better offer for Salmons, compared to what we can give them..the same can be said about Garcia, but he's having kind of a down year, while Salmons is making a name for himself..I've heard a lot of teams have interest in him, so it would be tougher to make the deal..
I doubt we make trades for either though..
i agree. unless the spurs are willing to move splitters rights, we dont have anything of value to offer. and even then you have to ask how much value do splitters rights hold? you have to find a team that is optimistic about his making he jump to the nba.
looking at all the players rumored to be on the move, i just dont see who we have a realistic shot at (albatross contracts aside).
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