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42 minutes is what I read in another thread.
I didn't bring Al down. Just saying the majority of it came with Drew out. Both are playing great.
42 minutes is what I read in another thread.
@ the most delusional fan on this board telling me to watch a game. Take your own advice
Good to see you admit that you didn't watch the game.
I didn't watch the game. Sorry, I don't have Lakers league pass! I checked the score on nba.com 3 times and the game was close every time so I assumed the game was fairly close until the end. Still doesn't change the fact that Jefferson is a beast. But don't worry! Bynum is too. There can be other beasts in the West besides your boy.
Hey, I agreed with Jefferson being a beast on offense.
He's just not very beastly when he has to go up against a superior player like Bynum or when he actually has to guard someone. Minnesota is going nowhere unless they can find a real center that can provide any interior defense whatsoever. Basically you have to hide Jefferson out there defensively - he really is that terrible.
Bynum out-Beasted Jefferson tonight, plain and straight. 27 points and 15 rebounds. Even better, he scored it on only 15 shots, 67% shooting and in only 30 minutes of play.
Although Al ended up with 34 points, he scored almost all of them on anybody not named Bynum...he was something like 5 of 14 or something like that against Bynum.
Last edited by Allanon; 01-31-2009 at 01:29 AM.
I think if the Lakers were to choose between the two, they would keep Bynum. He gives them more of what they need compared to Big Al. Defense, and the occassional scoring outburst and the ability to dominate mis matches offensively. They have their own Al Jefferson in Pau, with better passing and a better compliment to Bynum, although not as dominant offensively.
Right now though Al is still the better player. The thing he has going for him is that defense can be taught. He has pretty good size, length and decent athleticism. And even though Bynum is good offensively in his own right, the skill and touch Jefferson possesses, cant be taught. Hes so smooth and agile for a bulky guy, and has so many moves, there just isnt a way to guard him. The day he gets capable team mates round him who can create for him and get him easy opportunities, ala Kobe for Bynum or even Parker for Duncan, he could average 25-28 PPG on 50%+. Right now, 95% of his points come from banging down low and fighting through double and triple teams, with entire defenses geared to stop him. And he still puts up 23 PPG on 50% with no shooters to spread the floor for him.
For the Lakers Bynum>Jefferson.
But overall, right now Jefferson > Bynum.
myst, you never know. Drew is only 21, and has a good post game. Who is to say Bynum wont be as good as Al on O. Of course, this arguement goes either way, cause defense can be taught too. The only certain thing is that the future looks bright for both of these guys.
Bynum has natural ability that most dont have. To me, the difference between the two on offense is this. Bynum, as skilled as he is, is alot more manufactured than Jefferson. Hes been built from the ground up so to speak. He still posses agility and athleticism 99% of 7 footers dont possess, but it doesnt seem as natural for him. Like i said, thats not necessarily a knock on him, hes still skilled as .
Jefferson on the other hand, looks alot more natural and fluid. Like he was born with a pump fake and an up and under. Everything he does, it seems like he doesnt have to think about which move hes going to make. He just gets into his move and does what comes to him first. His still only 23 aswell, there isnt much between the two in terms of age. He still has alot to work on though, as does Bynum.
I was expecting someone to say this but Here they are:
When Bynum left the floor towards the end of the fourth quarter, Al Jefferson had 18 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 blocks(I believe) on 7-17 shooting. Bynum had somewhere around 22 points to go along with 13 rebounds and 1 or 2 blocks at this time. So Bynum was winning when he had left the court towards the end of the third quarter as you can tell.
After Jefferson got done abusing Pau, he had 30 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, and 4 blocks on 5-8 shooting.
Once Bynum came back in he held Jefferson to 4 points, which came at the very end of the game and no rebounds in 3 or 4 minutes. Bynum on the other hand scored a couple baskets, had a couple rebounds, and changed a few shots. He also would have had another block if it wasn't for Pau fouling Jefferson.
So, the final numbers for both bigs were:
Andrew Bynum: 27 points, 15 rebounds(7 offensive), 1 assist, 2 blocks, 0 steals, 2 turnovers, 7-8 FT, and 10-15 FG
Al Jefferson: 34 points, 13 rebounds(7 offensive), 1 assist, 4 blocks, 1 steal, 1 turnover, 8-11 FT, and 13-27 FG
Here are the most surprising numbers. Al Jefferson played 42:16, but Bynum played only 30:28.
Just look at those two numbers right there. There's almost a 12 minute difference there, and in my opinion, Bynum's numbers are better. Plus, Jefferson got blocked four times while Bynum got blocked only once.
When Bynum was guarding Jefferson, things were very difficult for him. When Bynum was on the floor, everything was coming to him so easily. And after looking at the numbers, I'm gonna say that Bynum nearly dominated Al Jefferson. Is it really that much of a stretch to say that right now, Bynum is playing like a best man in the league.
both of these players have a refined game, they can score anyway they want on you...there are not l imited to dunks only...aka d12
Dwight is still head and shoulders better than both.
hahah Bynum had just outplayed Duncan, Okafor, and Al Jefferson. He can basically score at will against them.
The beast in Bynum is back, you can tell that his opponents are scared of him. They know that he can flat out swat their shots out and dunk on them with power. He's got that physical presence that we haven't had since Shaq left.
Whats that got to do with anything. Getting blocked isnt necessarily a bad thing. Like i said, Bynum was dominant, but let me ask you a question.
What do you think the numbers would look like if they switched places and The Lakers defense and Jefferson were geared to focus in on Bynum alone. And how do you think Jefferson would go if teams had 1) Kobe to worry about and 2) Pau on the other block creating and 3) All of the Lakers 3 point shooting. Im not attacking you, just interested to see what you think if that were the situation?
First of all Bynum saw a few double teams last night. Second, Bynum has a good post game and has been scoring on the likes of Tim Duncan and Okafor. Build a team around Bynum that can shoot the 3, problem solved. Bynum is a decent passer from the post.
so basically, you agree that before surgery manu was better than kobe. i mean he had comparable, more efficient stats in 10 minutes less so he must be.
dont give me those arguments about manu having more help, less responsibility, and better efficiency because of reduced minutes. if it's true for bynum its true for manu
So basically you're as dumb as a brick.
No it isn't.
stick to making predictions genius
17 pts and 9 rbs and there is still 9 mins left in the 2nd quarter against the Rockets.
Is Yao ming playing? Lol, Yao ming could possible be getting owned.
Ming is playing. Ming was badly outplayed in the first half. But, he is making a resurgence in the second half. Rockets dug in and came back and are now up 13.
Jefferson > Yaold Mingay
Al Jefferson is such a damn beast....like i think he will peak to become etter than Dwight.
Its a shame David West is in the AS and he isnt!
Didn't watch the game but I found this video of Yao matched up with Jefferson. This dude is incredible. Reminds me of Hakeem.
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