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"He got taken down, but at least he's not ting blood." -Lakerfan's view of the facts
Reread my post, I'm not going to repeat myself over and over on this one. I denied there's a conspiracy, which is the only way there would be a "let" in your sentence like above, IE "the League 'let' the Spurs win 4 championships." In reality, the League is not that overpowering. They can't stop the ball from going in the basket is the main problem - great teams overcome bad officiating by executing on the court. Now you can plug in the Spurs and why they have 4championships. Despite a partial League bias to their bigger stars and markets, the NBA is still mostly fair. But it's transparent to see that they are definitely pulling for their bigger markets as opposed to others - again, just common business sense. The bigger marketed teams and players are going to attract more viewers, which means more advertisers will want to buy in. If you really think a many billion-dollared business like the NBA and even Basketball period (all the endorsements for non-basketball related like King James and Sprite) is going to just let nature runs its course, and not do everything they can do to get the big markets in there, you're a fool.
Not only that, we are in the midst of a rather bad recession. The NBA needs its best markets doing their best right now to keep profits up, so the League favoritism is probably at an all-time high.
A lack of self control is not even a semblance of an excuse ..It was a Flagrant 2 on an uncontrolled play, nothing more, nothing less.
Last edited by z0sa; 01-31-2009 at 01:48 PM.
"He got taken down, but at least he's not ting blood." -Lakerfan's view of the facts
This is where you are a fool. You specifically name King James...who plays in Cleveland....a tiny ass market. He is the perfect example of nature runnings its course in a small market, ala San Antonio.
Just like the Suns were the darlings of the NBA and the league had a chance to let them off the hook. But no, they suspended Amare and Diaw during the Playoffs against the very rating unfriendly spurs.
Not at all. The largest market is New York and they still suck. While small market teams like the Cavs and Spurs are #2 in their conference.[/quote]Not only that, we are in the midst of a rather bad recession. The NBA needs its best markets doing their best right now to keep profits up, so the League favoritism is probably at an all-time high.
Intent plays a major portion in suspensions. Lack of self conrol shows no intent, thus no suspension.A lack of self control is not even a semblance of an excuse ..
I simply named Sprite as non-basketball related - and King James attracts many many more viewers than just Cleveland's. Fail, and don't even try to read between the lines next timeAnd don't even try to bring up 2007 NBA Finals. Even casual NBA fans knew the Spurs were going to dismantle the Cavaliers that year.
With the suspensions - off the hook? They clearly, defineably, broke League rules. There was no hook to be off of or get caught on. They were already in the bait box for doing something so boneheaded. Amare's an idiot, that's not David Stern's fault.
This is ing stupid, I honestly don't even know why I'm replying. Arguing with a Laker homer over how the League is clearly biased towards his team is like throwing rocks at re s. They'll never understand.
Cavs = King James = high TV ratings. You don't have to live in Cleveland to wanna watch King James play basketball. I guarantee you if Cleveland makes it against LA this year its among the most watched Finals ever. Even if they meet Spurs or some dark horse team, the ratings will be much higher than 07 - LeBron actually has a team capable of winning it all now, no matter who they face.Not at all. The largest market is New York and they still suck. While small market teams like the Cavs and Spurs are #2 in their conference.
About NY, they are actually doing fine considering the last few seasons - dunno what point you're trying to make. And the Spurs? An anomaly you may not ever see again. It is my honest opinion that if the Spurs had LA's tv market, the Spurs would have 5-7 championships right now.
"I'm guilty of causing collapsing someone's lung, possibly puncturing it, and breaking their rib but I didn't mean to so I shouldn't be punished."Intent plays a major portion in suspensions. Lack of self conrol shows no intent, thus no suspension.
Basically what Bynum must be thinking right now ..
let me make it easier to understandfor you: "I knew what I was going to do could put him on the ground, just didn't know it was going to put him on the ground, break his rib, and collapse his lung."
^^ in any one's view but the bags at the LO and Lakerfan, thats a suspension.
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Exactly, and how is this good business sense? You admit that King James brings in viewers, why keep him in a small market? You say the NBA has bias towards the large market teams, why not gift him to New York?I simply named Sprite as non-basketball related - and King James attracts many many more viewers than just Cleveland's. Fail, and don't even try to read between the lines next time
Why bring in two small market teams for the 2007 Finals. Both are bad "business sense" if you're trying to rig the NBA as you have said. Why stop just at suspensions?
And what clearly, definable rule says Bynum should be suspended?With the suspensions - off the hook? They clearly, defineably, broke League rules. There was no hook to be off of or get caught on. They were already in the bait box for doing something so boneheaded. Amare's an idiot, that's not David Stern's fault.
In the same game that Spur fan says the league is biased towards them, Kobe fouls out for the first time in who knows how long. Great bias for the BobcatsThis is ing stupid, I honestly don't even know why I'm replying. Arguing with a Laker homer over how the League is clearly biased towards his team is like throwing rocks at re s. They'll never understand.
Sure against LA, the ratings would be through the roof. But against the Spurs? Not at all, it's gonna be like 2007 all over again.Cavs = King James = high TV ratings. You don't have to live in Cleveland to wanna watch King James play basketball. I guarantee you if Cleveland makes it against LA this year its among the most watched Finals ever. Even if they meet Spurs or some dark horse team, the ratings will be much higher than 07 - LeBron actually has a team capable of winning it all now, no matter who they face.
If the NBA was using "business sense" to manipulate the NBA to its large markets as you claim, New York would not be sucking.About NY, they are actually doing fine considering the last few seasons - dunno what point you're trying to make. And the Spurs? An anomaly you may not ever see again. It is my honest opinion that if the Spurs had LA's tv market, the Spurs would have 5-7 championships right now.
Instead, the NBA "let" the Spurs, one of the smallest market NBA teams, win 4 les in the last 10 years. This is against your "business sense (it's not a conspiracy)" theory.
Nah, he's thinking about how he dominated Al Jefferson last night."I'm guilty of causing collapsing someone's lung, possibly puncturing it, and breaking their rib but I didn't mean to so I shouldn't be punished."
Basically what Bynum must be thinking right now ..
The Knicks are a playoff team in the East and therefore better than any team in the West.
They would be a contender if the NBA "gave" Lebron to them after his first contract was up.
How old are you? Have you no idea how the adult world works? I don't have the patience or extra time to explain to you that the draft lottery, IE how LeBron ended up in Cleveland in the first place, works. Additionally, now that he's in Cleveland and revitalizing that franchise, you really think the League can force them to trade him? This is not a communist country, and the League cannot control what each individual franchise does. I honestly think its stupid and underhanded to bring up points you obviously know are of no contention, just to move the subject off of somewhere you're clearly wrong.
Additionally, you ask "Why [would the League] bring in two small market teams for the 2007 NBA Finals." The answer for Spurs I already made, yet you ask the same question again knowing half the answer. Can you not piece this together yourself, or are you so blinded with homer Laker glasses? LeBron was far and away the best player they could have hoped to come out of the East that year. Just because the Finals were not heavily watched, does not mean the League failed in putting a sports icon on the biggest staged. Again, don't even try to read between the lines
Fail and not even worth answering. Are you to tell me fouls are just not called on players when they foul? THAT would be kin to conspiracy theory. Jesus get yuor facts straight and get on the subject material.In the same game that Spur fan says the league is biased towards them, Kobe fouls out for the first time in who knows how long. Great bias for the Bobcats
If it comes true we'll see. But I completely disagree.Sure against LA, the ratings would be through the roof. But against the Spurs? Not at all, it's gonna be like 2007 all over again.
The NBA cannot control the actual franchises and their boneheaded decision making. Their main ability to influence games if through refereeing and scheduling. I say refereeing with a grain of salt to be taken. The refs come in with things to be looking for which the League office has instructed. This often is where they give teams an advantage - the refs are notified to watch one player more closely for certain things, a la JVG's Yao complaint in 05, and oftentimes that gets a player into foul trouble or puts a team in the bonus early, giving the other team an advantage.If the NBA was using "business sense" to manipulate the NBA to its large markets as you claim, New York would not be sucking.
Instead, the NBA "let" the Spurs, one of the smallest market NBA teams, win 4 les in the last 10 years. This is against your "business sense (it's not a conspiracy)" theory.
One such event just gave LA a huge bonus - Mason jr's two ticky tack fouls won kobe going over screens last Spurs-LA game, with less than 4 minutes expired in the game. After seeing how well Mason guarded Kobe two weeks earlier (at least compared to many) they tightened up on their calling for that contact going over the screen. Ends up totally throwing off our best roleplayer on both ends and had a lot of effect on that first half.
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Since the NBA can force players to sign a contract somewhere they don't want to
Dude, your lack of NBA knowledge is frightening
Exactly. LeBron defies your small market "business sense" theory.
Spurs/Cavs were one of the worst rated Finals in history. More "business sense" after the Pistons/Spurs debacle?Additionally, you ask "Why [would the League] bring in two small market teams for the 2007 NBA Finals." The answer for Spurs I already made, yet you ask the same question again knowing half the answer. Can you not piece this together yourself, or are you so blinded with homer Laker glasses? LeBron was far and away the best player they could have hoped to come out of the East that year. Just because the Finals were not heavily watched, does not mean the League failed in putting a sports icon on the biggest staged. Again, don't even try to read between the lines
That would be you saying it makes "business sense" to knowingly give large market teams the upper hand, which I disagree with. Don't peddle your conspiracy theories on me.Fail and not even worth answering. Are you to tell me fouls are just not called on players when they foul? THAT would be kin to conspiracy theory. Jesus get yuor facts straight and get on the subject material.
Obviously, the Spurs won't meet the Cavs this year, because the NBA is going to "give it to the Lakers". Just like they gave them Pau Gasol and Bynum
Ah more Spur fan complaints about the refs.The NBA cannot control the actual franchises and their boneheaded decision making. Their main ability to influence games if through refereeing and scheduling. I say refereeing with a grain of salt to be taken. The refs come in with things to be looking for which the League office has instructed. This often is where they give teams an advantage - the refs are notified to watch one player more closely for certain things, a la JVG's Yao complaint in 05, and oftentimes that gets a player into foul trouble or puts a team in the bonus early, giving the other team an advantage.
The NBA tells them to look out for the "big market teams" eh? That's why the Spurs won 4 les, the refs were obviously "notified to watch" all the other teams. That's why small market San Antonio is the winningest franchise in sports during the Duncan era by percentage right?
I like to think the Spurs won because they had Tim Duncan, the greatest power forward ever. But if you like to think they won because the "NBA notified the refs" to watch out for them, sure.
Allanon = thick minded Lakers homer
I denied a conspiracy, which means there's not this whole mindset to the small market teams.
Are you dimwitted?
The more marketable a player and his team are, the more they're going to get away with. That simple. I'm paraphrasing my original post about this subject.
I'm not going to reply to stupid questions you ask, thinking they are rhetorical, when in fact their rhetoricality is based upon your own inaccurate homer beliefs.
Spur fan likes to believe the NBA is conspiring against his small market team and that Stern and the refs are the reason why the Lakers have beaten them year after year in the playoffs.
They will do anything to shift the blame from their own team. It's never that the Spurs lost, it's that Manu was injured, the refs cheated, Stern was against them, etc.
i love it. these threads separate the idiot Laker trolls from the sane ones.
-Mars
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"I agree that there is no conspiracy. I do feel there is a bias, however." -z0sa
"ZOMG U SPURZ FANZ ONLY SEE KUNSPEERUSY!" - Allanon/House
the lakers wish he got suspended.
Karma is a .
Would he have been suspended this game?
yes. and he wouldn't have been there to cushion kobe's head with his knees.Would he have been suspended this game?
this is one of 'em forks in the space-time continuum.
well this is good enough for me
-Mars
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