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    Obama is a two-faced liar. Aw-RIGHT!
    by Greg Palast
    January 29, 2009


    Republicans are right. President Barack Obama treated them like dirt, didn't give a damn what they thought about his stimulus package, loaded it with a bunch of programs that will last for years and will never leave the budget, is giving away money disguised as "tax refunds," and is sneaking in huge changes in policy, from schools to health care, using the pretext of an economic emergency.

    Way to go, Mr. O! Mr. Down-and-Dirty Chicago pol. Street-fightin' man. Covering over his break-your-face power play with a "we're all post-partisan friends" BS.

    And it's about time.

    Frankly, I was worried about this guy. Obama's appointing Clinton-droids to the Cabinet, bloated incompetents like Larry Summers as "Economics Czar," made me fear for my country, that we'd gotten another Democrat who wished he were a Republican.

    Then came Obama's money bomb. The House bill included $125 billion for schools (TRIPLING federal spending on education), expanding insurance coverage to the unemployed, making the most progressive change in the tax code in four decades by creating a $500 credit against social security payroll deductions, and so on.

    It's as if Obama dug up Ronald Reagan's carcass and put a stake through The Gipper's anti-government heart. Aw-RIGHT!

    About the only concession Obama threw to the right-wing trogs was to remove the subsidy for condoms, leaving hooker-happy GOP Senators, like David Vitter, to pay for their own protection. S'OK with me.

    And here's the proof that Bam is The Man: Not one single Republican congressman voted for the bill. And that means that Obama didn't compromise, the way Clinton and Carter would have, to win the love of these condom-less jerks.

    And we didn't need'm. Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!

    Now I understand Obama's weird moves: dinner with those creepy conservative columnists, earnest meetings at the White House with the Republican leaders, a dramatic begging foray into Senate offices. Just as the Republicans say, it was all a fraud. Obama was pure Chicago, Boss Daley in a slim skin, putting his arms around his enemies, pretending to listen and care and compromise, then slowly, quietly, slipping in the knife. All while the media praises Obama's "post-partisanship." Heh heh heh.

    Love it. Now we know why Obama picked that vindictive little viper Rahm Emanuel as staff chief: everyone visiting the Oval office will be greeted by the Windy City hit man who would hack up your grandma if you mess with the Godfather-in-Chief.

    I don't know about you, but THIS is the change I've been waiting for.

    Will it last? We'll see if Obama caves in to more tax cuts to investment bankers. We'll see if he stops the sub-prime s -bags from foreclosing on frightened families. We'll see if he stands up to the whining, gormless generals who don't know how to get our troops out of Iraq. (In SHIPS, you doofusses!)

    Look, don't get your hopes up. But it may turn out the new President's ... a Democrat!

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    what we need is money that can buy a loaf of bread.

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    This guy has 4 years and thats it. I am a independent. I would have vote for Clinton. I voted for McCain. With that said the democratic party is ing themselves.

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    If you're cool with hundreds of billions worth of pork to help win re-elections and pay back cronies for past and future favors that's cool Dan.

    My gal Pelosi has it covered

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    This guy has 4 years and thats it. I am a independent. I would have vote for Clinton. I voted for McCain. With that said the democratic party is ing themselves.
    I wouldn't mind except they are ing us too!

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    Then came Obama's money bomb. The House bill included $125 billion for schools (TRIPLING federal spending on education), expanding insurance coverage to the unemployed, making the most progressive change in the tax code in four decades by creating a $500 credit against social security payroll deductions, and so on.
    This is a bad thing?

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    I've about had it with Demo vs. Repub. I'm 100% convinced that if the current labeling system were to be removed for good we'd have a much more productive Country.

    Like Shasta pointed out above. People simply hate because they feel obligated to hate the other side regardless of whats productive and prudent or not.

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    This is a bad thing?
    Too much money is wasted in education already. I agree the the classes aren't getting enough, but $11,000+ per student year already... Only part of that makes it to the classes. Schools need to be more efficient in their spending. Not rewarded for wasting money, with more money!

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    I've about had it with Demo vs. Repub. I'm 100% convinced that if the current labeling system were to be removed for good we'd have a much more productive Country.

    Like Shasta pointed out above. People simply hate because they feel obligated to hate the other side regardless of whats productive and prudent or not.
    Well said!

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    If you're cool with hundreds of billions worth of pork to help win re-elections and pay back cronies for past and future favors that's cool Dan.

    My gal Pelosi has it covered

    the republicans did it as well

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I've about had it with Demo vs. Repub. I'm 100% convinced that if the current labeling system were to be removed for good we'd have a much more productive Country.

    Like Shasta pointed out above. People simply hate because they feel obligated to hate the other side regardless of whats productive and prudent or not.
    rush doesn't agree with you. he thinks it's healthy to demonize and blindly follow an ideoloy.

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    Too much money is wasted in education already. I agree the the classes aren't getting enough, but $11,000+ per student year already... Only part of that makes it to the classes. Schools need to be more efficient in their spending. Not rewarded for wasting money, with more money!
    The entire system and how it functions needs to be re-worked and geared to modern day employment criteria. There is a complete lack of financial and credit oriented education. 99% of HSers don't even know what a FICO is until they're in credit trouble. The texts (even the newer ones) are incomplete, too basic and poorly written for teaching purposes. There is also no preparation for functioning in a modern day work structure. The amount of available avenues to pursue a million different careers are out there and available to everyone. However figuring out how to prepare a plan to utilize those avenues and accomplish the proper education for your future is nearly an impossible code to figure out even for the career counselors. They teach for a test and that's about it. The pay scale is an abortion but I won't even get started on that.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    The entire system and how it functions needs to be re-worked and geared to modern day employment criteria. There is a complete lack of financial and credit oriented education. 99% of HSers don't even know what a FICO is until they're in credit trouble. The texts (even the newer ones) are incomplete, too basic and poorly written for teaching purposes. There is also no preparation for functioning in a modern day work structure. The amount of available avenues to pursue a million different careers are out there and available to everyone. However figuring out how to prepare a plan to utilize those avenues and accomplish the proper education for your future is nearly an impossible code to figure out even for the career counselors. They teach for a test and that's about it. The pay scale is an abortion but I won't even get started on that.
    but we have the no child left behind policy in place !!!!

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    but we have the no child left behind policy in place !!!!
    Well we all know how well thats working.



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    We need one big giant reset button for the elected officials in D.C. And I mean both parties.

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    Not a single Republican voted for it.

    That is a bit of a gamble on their part, collectively. If the package turns out to work, even with the inefficient tax cuts, they will get zero credit, and have clearly demonstrated that the widely held belief that you need a Democrat to effectively run the economy has some merit to it.
    (Note: I have seen sta istical studies, after controlling for the Great Depression, that have demonstrated virtually no difference between the two parties when it comes to control of the white house and the economy.)

    If it doesn't work, they can be in a good position to say "I told you so".

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    We need one big giant reset button for the elected officials in D.C. And I mean both parties.
    No way. I honestly can't think of a better guy for the white house than the guy there now.

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    That is a bit of a gamble on their part, collectively.
    I don't think it was a gamble at all. The house bill is terrible. Public support has been dropping as the details of it come out. Even Senate Dems can't go for the house version. Now it looks like Senate Dems & Repubs are forming a coalition to can that bill and introduce something more Bipartisan and more likely to have a positive effect on the economy. When they do that House Repubs get to claim victory, Senate Dems get to claim victory, Obama gets to claim victory, and Pelosi is the big loser for being the idiot that she is.

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    Now it looks like Senate Dems & Repubs are forming a coalition to can that bill and introduce something more Bipartisan and more likely to have a positive effect on the economy. When they do that House Repubs get to claim victory, Senate Dems get to claim victory, Obama gets to claim victory, and Pelosi is the big loser for being the idiot that she is.
    Pelosi, not the big wheel after all?

    I do hope they take a breather and look at what the House Bill contains. On account of the size of the thing, it should be considered as carefully as necessity allows.

    A few days this way or that won't make a big difference. It'd be unfortunate if we get stampeded into yet one more colossal mistake. What's the big goddam rush? Why does it need to happen instantly?
    Last edited by Winehole23; 01-31-2009 at 04:39 PM.

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    rush doesn't agree with you. he thinks it's healthy to demonize and blindly follow an ideoloy.


    i love the obsession. keep it up.

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    I don't think it was a gamble at all. The house bill is terrible. Public support has been dropping as the details of it come out. Even Senate Dems can't go for the house version. Now it looks like Senate Dems & Repubs are forming a coalition to can that bill and introduce something more Bipartisan and more likely to have a positive effect on the economy. When they do that House Repubs get to claim victory, Senate Dems get to claim victory, Obama gets to claim victory, and Pelosi is the big loser for being the idiot that she is.


    SnakeBoy offering an objective viewpoint of a Dem vs. GOP issue.

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    Or education system is a joke because its two main principles are 1) You're a failure if you don't go to college -and- 2) funding is based on standardized testing. Why not teach real work skills instead giving course credit for working fast food or letting 50% of your kids drop out? Instead our system says you have to do it this way, you have to know math and literature or you're a dumbass. You have to go to college or you suck. You could help license people to be electricians, plumbers, etc. As for standardized testing; what a joke. The schools put enormous pressure on teachers to have high test scores to get funding, the schools build their curriculums around the tests, and the teachers have to constantly teach the tests, instead of the subject they're supposed to be focusing on.

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    Another major failure is teacher pay. No one learns by symbolic manipulation and copying things off the board. To loosely quote Alan Kay, one of the most important researchers at Xerox PARC (the group responsible for Mac and Windows), "the part of your brain that can do math and science doesn't understand English". To be a good teacher requires great visualization skills and creativity, and you cannot get people with those kind of skills if they can make more everywhere else. It works OK at the college level because professors are given the opportunity to do research with their non-teaching time while the TA's and graders do a lot of the grunt work, but for secondary education the money has to be there for the teacher.

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    THANK YOU BASED NEAL ClingingMars's Avatar
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    Or education system is a joke because its two main principles are 1) You're a failure if you don't go to college -and- 2) funding is based on standardized testing. Why not teach real work skills instead giving course credit for working fast food or letting 50% of your kids drop out? Instead our system says you have to do it this way, you have to know math and literature or you're a dumbass. You have to go to college or you suck. You could help license people to be electricians, plumbers, etc. As for standardized testing; what a joke. The schools put enormous pressure on teachers to have high test scores to get funding, the schools build their curriculums around the tests, and the teachers have to constantly teach the tests, instead of the subject they're supposed to be focusing on.
    +1

    that's why I intend to send my kids to a private school.

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